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mattwnz

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#247871 27-Feb-2019 21:11
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So on the house plans of a new build, we put a suggested location where we wanted the TV aerial located so it would be a the back of the buidling. That would obviously be subject to there being a signal in that location, and we expected that the electrican would check to make sure it is suitable. The electrician did install a wire into this location after we confirmed with them  that is were we preferred it to go. However when they came to install the aerial, they said that there wasn't a strong enough signal. They said the only option looked to be moving the aerial to the front entrance of the building which would be the first thing you see when you see the building.The suggested location is in clear sight to the transmitter, so no building blocking it, but they say that there must be trees in the distance or around it blocking the signal. I was wondering if using another aerial may help.

 

The current aerial that was tried was a Triple folding Structure one as shown at http://www.freeviewshop.co.nz/information/technical/aerial-guide-i-49.html which is supposed to be for fringe areas , which gives 40% strength. they say they need at least 60%.  If they move the aerial closer to the front of the building they can get enough strength.  However we have have asked them to try a X-Type Magna Phased array and an amplified one, but they doubt that it will make a difference. There are also Active flat panel, although not sure who sells those. They would be more acceptable at the front of the building, although the wiring would still be in the the wrong plan, and they have to somehow get the wiring across the roof.

 

Anyone know of any solutions that can increase the strength, or whether the X-Type Magna Phased array should work?. Would increasing the pole height help. It is currently going to be on a parapet, so the aerial will be above the roof and parapet cap anyway.


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Brunzy
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  #2188491 27-Feb-2019 22:14
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First of all I’ve never known an electrician to have any equipment for testing a signal, and if he did then you wouldn’t be asking the questions about different aerials and different locations as he would obviously then know the answer.
Further, if you have line of sight to the transmitter you certainly do not need a large antenna like you mentioned.

Sounds like the electrician is just guessing and you should get someone who knows what they are doing



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  #2188492 27-Feb-2019 22:17
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Also, if you have line of sight to the transmitter how can there be trees blocking it surely that would be obvious.

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  #2188495 27-Feb-2019 22:29
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It's line of sight in plan to the transmitter location, so the building isn't blocking it. However in the distance there could be a smallish tree on the verge owned by the council. But moving it about 6m closer to that tree, the signal gets stronger. They have about 6 m sideways they would work with as well.  It is difficult to tell and they don't know themselves why the signal is better. The electrican appears to be subcontracting to a specialist TV installer company to install the actual aerial, and they are the ones who are having trouble installing it in the location the electrician  installed the wire. But the electrician did all the prewiring etc, and should have been working with their installer to make sure it was wired into a suitable location and get a suitable signal IMO. Otherwise it is all just guesswork.




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  #2188496 27-Feb-2019 22:33
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Do yourself a favour and pay for a decent aerial installer as they have the proper tools and experience.

 

John

 

PS I used to install TV aerials for a living. ( I also used to install radio & TV transmitters too )





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  #2188497 27-Feb-2019 22:36
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SATTV:

 

 

 

Do yourself a favour and pay for a decent aerial installer as they have the proper tools and experience.

 

John

 

PS I used to install TV aerials for a living. ( I also used to install radio & TV transmitters too )

 

 

Thanks. They seem to be using a proper specialist aerial installer now, who also does networking. When you did it, did you liaise with the electrican doing the coaxial install, to make sure they got the aerial wiring coming out in the right place? Or did you also do the prewiring of all the TV cable in the building at the wiring stage?


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  #2188542 28-Feb-2019 00:13
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mattwnz:

 

SATTV:

 

 

 

Do yourself a favour and pay for a decent aerial installer as they have the proper tools and experience.

 

John

 

PS I used to install TV aerials for a living. ( I also used to install radio & TV transmitters too )

 

 

Thanks. They seem to be using a proper specialist aerial installer now, who also does networking. When you did it, did you liaise with the electrican doing the coaxial install, to make sure they got the aerial wiring coming out in the right place? Or did you also do the prewiring of all the TV cable in the building at the wiring stage?

 

 

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  #2188567 28-Feb-2019 07:34
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mattwnz:

SATTV:


 


Do yourself a favour and pay for a decent aerial installer as they have the proper tools and experience.


John


PS I used to install TV aerials for a living. ( I also used to install radio & TV transmitters too )





Thanks. They seem to be using a proper specialist aerial installer now, who also does networking. When you did it, did you liaise with the electrican doing the coaxial install, to make sure they got the aerial wiring coming out in the right place? Or did you also do the prewiring of all the TV cable in the building at the wiring stage?



They don’t tend to’ liaise ‘, and only ever put the cable outside if its prohibitive to do after the house is finished.
They tend to leave the cables coiled up somewhere in the roof space.
Small trees in the distance are normally not an issue, but regardless, anyone with a Spectrum Analsyer can tell you where it can or can’t go.

 
 
 

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  #2188569 28-Feb-2019 07:35
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mattwnz:

 

SATTV:

 

 

 

Do yourself a favour and pay for a decent aerial installer as they have the proper tools and experience.

 

John

 

PS I used to install TV aerials for a living. ( I also used to install radio & TV transmitters too )

 

 

Thanks. They seem to be using a proper specialist aerial installer now, who also does networking. When you did it, did you liaise with the electrican doing the coaxial install, to make sure they got the aerial wiring coming out in the right place? Or did you also do the prewiring of all the TV cable in the building at the wiring stage?

 

 

Both,

 

If it was a large installation we would run it, if it was a one off we would work with what the electrician had done or sometime they would run in like a phone line and daisy chain it so we would have to re-run it to a star point or just have one tv.

 

The amount of work we would have to do from reworking electricians was quite high.

 

Some electricians were quite good and we would only come in if there was a new service coming in like TV3 / TV4, Sky ( you had to pay for your UHF install then ), Juice, TAB etc.

 

John





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  #2188571 28-Feb-2019 07:39
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Brunzy: anyone with a Spectrum Analsyer can tell you where it can or can’t go.

 

 

 

This,

 

40% and 60% are not appropriate measures to determine where to place you aerial , ask them to tell what the actual signal strengths are,

 

 


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  #2188672 28-Feb-2019 10:30
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mattwnz:

It is difficult to tell and they don't know themselves why the signal is better.



In that case you need to get someone who does know.

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  #2214746 11-Apr-2019 06:38
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If they are a 'specialist' then they should be recommending and relocating the cable run. (are you subject to any covenants for placement of TV aerials....if so people usually get away with it, so as long as it's not too 'visible' from the street i.e. it shouldn't be the first thing you have seen when glancing at the property.

 

 

 

Show us a picture or plan? 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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