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SirHumphreyAppleby

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#303358 4-Feb-2023 10:43
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I am in the process of tidying up a property where the owners intended to provide a UHF antenna for tenants to use. They have decided to extend the project to provide network access in a neighbouring sleepout to provide more options for how this area may be used.

 

The sleepout already has a Sky dish and a mount that previously had an old VHF antenna, so while I'm in the process of running cabling through conduit, it would be a simple task to run coax to the main house. Given their proximity (only a few meters between structures), it wouldn't be significantly different from a single dwelling install.

 

My plan would be to combine the Sky and UHF dish/antenna on the roof of the sleepout, bring a single cable down to a network cabinet, where a splitter would connect them to three outlets in the sleepout (to be installed), and a single cable would connect to another network cabinet on the other side of the house (let's say about about 30m away), and from there be distributed to four locations in the main house. In a nutshell, a dish, antenna, one cable and seven outlets, four of which would be connected via a single cable. It might be possible to feed two of the closest rooms in the house directly from the sleepout, depending on how need to route the conduit... we may get away with just a single bend, which would make that much simpler.

 

I expect I would need active amplification of some sort, but I'm hoping someone here can point out any potential issues.

 

If you're wondering, the reason for using the existing dish/mount is the roof on the main structure is being replaced and given the move towards more Internet-based content, this is likely to be redundant in the future.


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Brunzy
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  #3031753 4-Feb-2023 14:39
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If you have a decent quality UHF signal, you shouldn’t need any amplification .
I’d have a two way in the network cabinet, feeding a three-way in the sleepout and a four-way in the house.



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  #3031761 4-Feb-2023 15:09
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If they have separate earth rods then don't do it.




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  #3031763 4-Feb-2023 15:18
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richms: If they have separate earth rods then don't do it.

 

That's a very good point. The sleepout does have a separate power meter, but there is a master switch in the house, so I would have thought the earth would be common. I shall check.




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  #3032941 7-Feb-2023 16:44
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Would it not just be easier to install a dish on both structures. Cost of the dish should be fairly well offset by the savings on the cable?


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  #3032954 7-Feb-2023 17:09
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steveb64nz:

 

Would it not just be easier to install a dish on both structures. Cost of the dish should be fairly well offset by the savings on the cable?

 

 

Anything provided by the landlord is their responsibility to maintain. A failed LNB or badly aligned dish becomes a major hassle, especially on a multi-level structure.

 

A 100m roll of RG6 is $60, and we'd need much less than that if we didn't take everything back to the network cabinet in the house. There will be relatively easy access to the splitters in the roof space, so that's probably unnecessary.

 

 

 

I've now established there is likely a common earth as the wires in the meter are tied to the one in the three-core cable from the house.


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  #3032965 7-Feb-2023 17:28
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one of the problems of running both buildings off one dish/aerial is the person living in the flat can screw with the dish etc and cut the others of, even unintentionally.

 

unless the house is right next to the transmitter your never going to feed all those outlets properly even with uhf and certainly not sat.

 

there is a few different layouts you could do, but it all depends on cable runs especially for sat which looses the most. i would be inclined to use a tap instead of a splitter to feed the main house as its the longest run.

 

earthing not a huge problem, but you can get isolators which will interrupt the earth connection via the shield. fit that on the line between the buildings.


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  #3033011 7-Feb-2023 19:09
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SirHumphreyAppleby:

 

steveb64nz:

 

Would it not just be easier to install a dish on both structures. Cost of the dish should be fairly well offset by the savings on the cable?

 

 

Anything provided by the landlord is their responsibility to maintain. A failed LNB or badly aligned dish becomes a major hassle, especially on a multi-level structure.

 

A 100m roll of RG6 is $60, and we'd need much less than that if we didn't take everything back to the network cabinet in the house. There will be relatively easy access to the splitters in the roof space, so that's probably unnecessary.

 

 

 

I've now established there is likely a common earth as the wires in the meter are tied to the one in the three-core cable from the house.

 

 

Fair enough. I'm surprised how cheap the RG6 is. But it's also been a long time since I bought ANY quantity of cable.


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