Information request for DVB-T HD Twin PVR

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tiviar

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#40673 1-Sep-2009 16:51

Hello friends out there!!

I'm a sales & marketing manager of a Korean digital receiver manufacturer. We are now considering making a DVB-T HD Twin PVR for New Zealand market.

If we release a product for the market, our product will be better than Zinwell and Homecast at least.
Before going into this project, I would like to know the market size of DVB-T HD PVR in New Zealand.
If anybody have it or know any website with this information, please kindly let me know.

With information, I can understand the market situation better and make a right decision on a right time.

Thank you very much for your deepest cooperation in advance.

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#252320 1-Sep-2009 17:23

The local market is growing and DVB-S/DVB-T is going to be the official broadcast replacing analogue TV.

According to the Hon Dr Jonathan Coleman, Minister of Broadcasting:

"... official switch over date will be made when digital television take-up reaches 75 per cent of households, or in 2012, whichever occurs first."

It was estimated that on 15th April 2009 226,141 Freeview certified set-top boxes had been sold since the platform's launch (155,482 Freeview DVB-S, 70,659 Freeview|HD DVB-T). It is estimated that Freeview is in 14.1% of New Zealand homes.

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#252435 2-Sep-2009 00:28

Hi Freitism,
Latest figures for Freeview are 255,048 or 15.9%.
Sky are at about 750,000 (round figures) or 46%, making a total of 62%.

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#252470 2-Sep-2009 09:59

I think you decision should be based on a few other factors.

Will your product be usable in other counties, UK, Australia moving to DVB-T systems with MHEG5 EPG support. So your potential market could be a lot bigger than just New Zealand.

Will your product be Freeview NZ certified, a couple of products are not certified so do not get the 7 day EPG. A PVR without 7 days or EPG is pointless.

New Zealand is still waiting for that Freeview certified device that can play Blu-ray, Xvid, Divx, Mp3's, WMV, in HD or SD, works with DLNA, can plug into RJ45 computer network or broadband and pull content from the web. The all in one media player/recorder with a 7 day EPG.

If you are making that product for any country I would say it should be successful.

New Zealand has approx 1.55 Million households. This is projected to grow to 2.09 Million by 2031. Therefore excluding Sky and Freeview enabled TV's from any statistics your potential market in simplistic terms is 1.55m homes.

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#252522 2-Sep-2009 12:01

browned:

New Zealand is still waiting for that Freeview certified device that can play Blu-ray, Xvid, Divx, Mp3's, WMV, in HD or SD, works with DLNA, can plug into RJ45 computer network or broadband and pull content from the web. The all in one media player/recorder with a 7 day EPG.

Unless freeview change the rules you aren't going to see a certified device with those features.

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#252550 2-Sep-2009 13:05

I would like to see more PVRs that can do both DVB-T and DVB-S. DVB-T is not available in all parts of the country. And the FTA channels can vary between DVB-S and DVB-T.

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#252561 2-Sep-2009 13:32

browned:
New Zealand is still waiting for that Freeview certified device that can play Blu-ray, Xvid, Divx, Mp3's, WMV, in HD or SD, works with DLNA, can plug into RJ45 computer network or broadband and pull content from the web. The all in one media player/recorder with a 7 day EPG.

You won't see a certified device that does that.

Nothing stopping you from building a PC based PVR thought that can do all of those things (and more) and do it right now.

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#252565 2-Sep-2009 13:49

grolschie: I would like to see more PVRs that can do both DVB-T and DVB-S. DVB-T is not available in all parts of the country. And the FTA channels can vary between DVB-S and DVB-T.

+1 for this from me too. I really like the idea of being able to view/record channels available in HD plus any additional channels (SBS springs to mind) available of satellite.

I was very keen on the Hyundai A300 thing until I found out it's essentially a single tuner box. You can only watch/record off one tuner at a time, so you can't watch UHF HD and be recording sat at the same time etc.

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#252566 2-Sep-2009 13:51

sbiddle:
browned:
New Zealand is still waiting for that Freeview certified device that can play Blu-ray, Xvid, Divx, Mp3's, WMV, in HD or SD, works with DLNA, can plug into RJ45 computer network or broadband and pull content from the web. The all in one media player/recorder with a 7 day EPG.

You won't see a certified device that does that.

Nothing stopping you from building a PC based PVR thought that can do all of those things (and more) and do it right now.

How about it?
- Suppoting EPG service without MHEG and certificate (how to do it technically is up to us)
- Supporting Ethenet connection for transfer contents between PC and PVR
- Xvid playback
- Recording / Time shifting / Playback with embedded HDD or external USB devices
If I can support EPG with some other way, I don't need to embed MHEG and make a certificate product.
Isn't it good?

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#252569 2-Sep-2009 14:02

Which one is better for consumers?
1. DVB-T HD Twin PVR with EPG
This product will be a perfect Twin tuner PVR (2 recording + 2 watching (PIP))
2. DVB-T & DVB-S HD combo PVR
This product can access to Terrestrial and Satellite, but working as a single tuner PVR for each source.

Ethernet connection, Xvid playback, Recording / Time shifting / Playback with embedded HDD or external USB devices...will be on both products.

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#252592 2-Sep-2009 14:49

USB HDD support is worthless if you cannot support NTFS and large drives - there are many boxes out there that require FAT32 or propriatory formats and dont support the new GPT partitioning, which will become a requirement once drives go past 2TB (almost there now thankfully so should become common soon)

esata would be a nice to have, but a killer feature would be an option to reencode for ipod/psp/phone playback of recordings - that may be a bit hard to do on something like that and also anger the likes of freeview.

these products sound good. but based on all the people with problems when prime started it would need to take the over the air channel updates to be usable by the ignorant masses who dont understand techincal things like "menus" and "options" etc.

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#252608 2-Sep-2009 15:26

tiviar: Which one is better for consumers?
1. DVB-T HD Twin PVR with EPG
This product will be a perfect Twin tuner PVR (2 recording + 2 watching (PIP))
2. DVB-T & DVB-S HD combo PVR
This product can access to Terrestrial and Satellite, but working as a single tuner PVR for each source.

Personally I'd prefer option 1.
Will it be a built in HDD or an external one? The other thing I think is very important is that it does have an 8 day epg and has one touch recording and series link would be good but not essential.

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#252625 2-Sep-2009 15:53

Oh, HDD upgradability - dont screw people over charging $200 more for an extra 500 gigs in the box when we all know that in a years time there will be 4 TB drives available for about that much. (Yes I am bitter at you sony for that doorstop of a 120 gig PVR with a dead drive)

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#252966 3-Sep-2009 18:08

Jaxson: I was very keen on the Hyundai A300 thing until I found out it's essentially a single tuner box. You can only watch/record off one tuner at a time, so you can't watch UHF HD and be recording sat at the same time etc.

The AH-3110? I didn't realise this.

grolschie

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#252974 3-Sep-2009 18:42

tiviar: Which one is better for consumers?
1. DVB-T HD Twin PVR with EPG
This product will be a perfect Twin tuner PVR (2 recording + 2 watching (PIP))
2. DVB-T & DVB-S HD combo PVR
This product can access to Terrestrial and Satellite, but working as a single tuner PVR for each source.

Ethernet connection, Xvid playback, Recording / Time shifting / Playback with embedded HDD or external USB devices...will be on both products.

I'd prefer option 2, because I watch stuff on Optus D1 and Optus D2, and am in a DVB-T area also.

Additionally, nice on-screen graphics and menus would be nice. I have seen DVB-S boxes with chunky graphics that remind me of my Commodore C-64 days.

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#253002 3-Sep-2009 19:54

- Recording: Internal SATA HDD (any capacity up to tens of TB is okay) or external USB devices.
- Nice looking design and beautiful & convenient UI.

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