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#62934 17-Jun-2010 12:21
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Has Freeview realsed a date for when they play to do HD via Satellite? I know Sky does HD from the same satellite.  

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  #342633 17-Jun-2010 12:24
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3067 or never which ever comes second...

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  #342640 17-Jun-2010 12:53
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LukeChandler: Has Freeview realsed a date for when they play to do HD via Satellite? I know Sky does HD from the same satellite.  

Yeah sorry, but you make some assumptions there which aren't valid.
Fundamentally, Freeview don't plan to do HD via Satellite, so hence no date has been released.

 
 
 
 


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  #342652 17-Jun-2010 13:11
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RustyGonad: 3067 or never which ever comes second...


It would also need to be changed to PayView before they would want to do that.

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  #342664 17-Jun-2010 13:51
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rscole86:
RustyGonad: 3067 or never which ever comes second...


It would also need to be changed to PayView before they would want to do that.


Why?




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  #342669 17-Jun-2010 14:24
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Possibly something to do with the astronomical cost associated with bandwidth on satellites?

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  #342683 17-Jun-2010 14:43
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1080p: Possibly something to do with the astronomical cost associated with bandwidth on satellites?


As opposed to the astronomical amount of taxpayer funds soaked up by Kordia, Freeview, and others to deliver the DVB-T network, which is full (according to Freeview themselves), and delivers HD coverage to, "some" of the country, and all the expansion capacity of a dead camel, unless they manage to coerce Sky into releasing some spectrum...


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  #342693 17-Jun-2010 15:27
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RustyGonad:
1080p: Possibly something to do with the astronomical cost associated with bandwidth on satellites?


As opposed to the astronomical amount of taxpayer funds soaked up by Kordia, Freeview, and others to deliver the DVB-T network, which is full (according to Freeview themselves), and delivers HD coverage to, "some" of the country, and all the expansion capacity of a dead camel, unless they manage to coerce Sky into releasing some spectrum...



Capcity - There is room for several more channels on DTT, especially on the MediaWorks Mux. Also don't expect channel 100 to be round forever. With luck this will transition to a Prime HD or other HD service at some point.

Expansion - The network was designed to grow to 5 multiplexes post Analogue switch off.

Coverage - Looks like they might get the funding for 87% of the population.

Satellite - Until Optus put up another bird at 160E don't expect too much as Sky have booked all the other NZ focused capacity.

The biggest issue is who can afford to broadcast. We don't have a huge line up of niche broadcasters wanting channels like the UK or other markets.




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  #342719 17-Jun-2010 16:29
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Jaxson:
LukeChandler: Has Freeview realsed a date for when they play to do HD via Satellite? I know Sky does HD from the same satellite.  

Yeah sorry, but you make some assumptions there which aren't valid.
Fundamentally, Freeview don't plan to do HD via Satellite, so hence no date has been released.



I think you ought to re read what i said, with the keyword being HAS... I was assuming anything...

Kthnx 

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openmedia:
RustyGonad:
1080p: Possibly something to do with the astronomical cost associated with bandwidth on satellites?


As opposed to the astronomical amount of taxpayer funds soaked up by Kordia, Freeview, and others to deliver the DVB-T network, which is full (according to Freeview themselves), and delivers HD coverage to, "some" of the country, and all the expansion capacity of a dead camel, unless they manage to coerce Sky into releasing some spectrum...



Capcity - There is room for several more channels on DTT, especially on the MediaWorks Mux. Also don't expect channel 100 to be round forever. With luck this will transition to a Prime HD or other HD service at some point.

Expansion - The network was designed to grow to 5 multiplexes post Analogue switch off.

Coverage - Looks like they might get the funding for 87% of the population.

Satellite - Until Optus put up another bird at 160E don't expect too much as Sky have booked all the other NZ focused capacity.

The biggest issue is who can afford to broadcast. We don't have a huge line up of niche broadcasters wanting channels like the UK or other markets.


Expansion - A quote from Freeview themselves - which confirms they DONT own the expansion capacity:

"Freeview – That’s correct, TVNZ has very little capacity left on its own DTT and Satellite muxes. However, there is still capacity on TVWorks and Kordia muxes (e.g. the Freeview|HD demo channel is spare capacity). It does depend on whether new offerings are SD or HD as to how many new services can be added. For example, we would hope that Prime, C4 and Maori Televison will go HD in the future. It’s logical therefore, that some capacity needs to be reserved for these services. For DTT the current MED proposal (Goto MED Digital Futures website for more information) allows for a further seven DTT muxes(sets). Having said that, Sky has rights to four of those and as yet no public plans on what it is going to use that capacity for, the Racing board have rights to one set and the allocation of the other two sets is still to be determined. For DTH any further capacity on the same polarity as the current Freeview services, is held by Sky so the potential for expansion on DTH for HD / 3D services is currently not possible."

Coverage - 87% is still 13% short of a hundy (and they're not there yet) - which if they had some forsight and planning and used DVB-S/S2 is what they would have (ie 100%), just like Sky... But this would have taken some strategic planning, with companies like Optus, and would have consigned Kordia to the scrap heap.  Plenty of low cost broadcasters worldwide leasing space on Birds, and yet we keep hearing it isn't sustainable...

How much taxpayer money gets poured into Freeview & Kordia that could have funded a Satellite based service???  Anyone got any real answers, other than the standard its coming Freeview reteric...


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  #342757 17-Jun-2010 18:17
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RustyGonad:
openmedia:
RustyGonad:
1080p: Possibly something to do with the astronomical cost associated with bandwidth on satellites?


As opposed to the astronomical amount of taxpayer funds soaked up by Kordia, Freeview, and others to deliver the DVB-T network, which is full (according to Freeview themselves), and delivers HD coverage to, "some" of the country, and all the expansion capacity of a dead camel, unless they manage to coerce Sky into releasing some spectrum...



Capcity - There is room for several more channels on DTT, especially on the MediaWorks Mux. Also don't expect channel 100 to be round forever. With luck this will transition to a Prime HD or other HD service at some point.

Expansion - The network was designed to grow to 5 multiplexes post Analogue switch off.

Coverage - Looks like they might get the funding for 87% of the population.

Satellite - Until Optus put up another bird at 160E don't expect too much as Sky have booked all the other NZ focused capacity.

The biggest issue is who can afford to broadcast. We don't have a huge line up of niche broadcasters wanting channels like the UK or other markets.


Expansion - A quote from Freeview themselves - which confirms they DONT own the expansion capacity:

"Freeview – That’s correct, TVNZ has very little capacity left on its own DTT and Satellite muxes. However, there is still capacity on TVWorks and Kordia muxes (e.g. the Freeview|HD demo channel is spare capacity). It does depend on whether new offerings are SD or HD as to how many new services can be added. For example, we would hope that Prime, C4 and Maori Televison will go HD in the future. It’s logical therefore, that some capacity needs to be reserved for these services. For DTT the current MED proposal (Goto MED Digital Futures website for more information) allows for a further seven DTT muxes(sets). Having said that, Sky has rights to four of those and as yet no public plans on what it is going to use that capacity for, the Racing board have rights to one set and the allocation of the other two sets is still to be determined. For DTH any further capacity on the same polarity as the current Freeview services, is held by Sky so the potential for expansion on DTH for HD / 3D services is currently not possible."

Coverage - 87% is still 13% short of a hundy (and they're not there yet) - which if they had some forsight and planning and used DVB-S/S2 is what they would have (ie 100%), just like Sky... But this would have taken some strategic planning, with companies like Optus, and would have consigned Kordia to the scrap heap.  Plenty of low cost broadcasters worldwide leasing space on Birds, and yet we keep hearing it isn't sustainable...

How much taxpayer money gets poured into Freeview & Kordia that could have funded a Satellite based service???  Anyone got any real answers, other than the standard its coming Freeview reteric...



I never said freeview "owned" 5 multiplexes, just that the MED specs allowed for later expansion to 5 multiplexes.

Currently the Analogue network doesn't get 100% coverage, and for a lot of channels it is often way below 90%.

Atleast with the DTH network they do get 99.999 % coverage, although in SD. I know of a couple of people who can't get either DTT or DTH due to geography.

Personally I'd like to see the use of H.264 on DTH once capactity becomes available. Sadly at DTH launch going to H.264 was cost prohibitive. Thankfully we didn't get stuck with an initial DTT network base on MPEG2 like OZ and the UK.




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Just to throw another spanner in the discussion if I may? Another part of the reason why Freeview may never (read 'so far into the future its not worth expecting it') go to HD over satellite is the fact that they would, for many years, need to run both the SD and the HD service. So as not to deny the Freeview service to the current viewers. And this would be cost prohibitive or impossible due to lack of available bandwidth.

At the same time the HD chipsets are coming down in cost and as more HD channels are becoming available in NZ via satellite (currently mostly languages other than English), more and more FTA satellite receivers are HD capable. But for many years there will still be the cheap SD satellite receivers out there in use, and this will likely prevent Freeview from doing anything. 

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  #346783 30-Jun-2010 21:14
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For those who want to hear a fantastic interview about the future of Freeview check out the podcast on the Radio NZ site for Media Watch from around 2 weeks ago. Freeview went into a lot of detail about their plans for the future.

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sbiddle: For those who want to hear a fantastic interview about the future of Freeview check out the podcast on the Radio NZ site for Media Watch from around 2 weeks ago. Freeview went into a lot of detail about their plans for the future.



The link to the podcast is here:
podcast.radionz dot co dot nz/mwatch/mwatch-20100620-0906-Mediawatch_for_20_June_2010-048.mp3




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