Why is cloud so expensive in NZ?

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#201303 12-Aug-2016 15:46

I see cloud providers in NZ charging as much as dedicated server co-location. Cloud is considerably cheaper in the US and also service levels which NZ providers can't offer (or try and market as premium) are standard there.

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#1610791 12-Aug-2016 15:48

Hardware is more expensive here, plus the economies of scale...

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#1610792 12-Aug-2016 15:50

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Hardware is more expensive here, plus the economies of scale...

Don't forget power is more expensive too. And space, and bandwidth, and labour...

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#1610795 12-Aug-2016 15:57

And the fact that if you need it here for regulatory or policy reasons you will be happy to pay more for it just to get it here.

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#1610801 12-Aug-2016 16:06

Do you have some examples? I find most people with this argument are not comparing apples with apples properly.

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#1610805 12-Aug-2016 16:12

btrevarthen:

Do you have some examples? I find most people with this argument are not comparing apples with apples properly.

There is a 101+ offers and I am too busy to trawl through them to make a point. I understand more then amply to know like-for-like there is a significant price difference. Actually, the US based providers commonly offer better specs and a considerably cheaper price. As a rough guideline, what costs $150 - 200 or more per month is about US$50 there.

SLA's are also considerably better. 24/7 tech support is standard, not something not offered or something one would feel reluctant to call someone at home late at night.

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#1610806 12-Aug-2016 16:20

There is also a question of where the provider is actually hosting infrastructure. You see re-sellers of 365 that came from Singapore and now Australia (If requested as 365 locate the services to provide better connection to the end user) You may also find that cloud backup providers are shipping the data off to AWS and Azure in Australia too. The term cloud is useless to describe the specific service you're after too, its in essence an off-site service. Cloud backup is just Backups located on somebody elses hardware in a location you don't control.

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#1610807 12-Aug-2016 16:27

Rivera Apollo is Azure compatible and is comparably priced to Azure run by Microsoft. Nowhere near the features of flexibility of AWS, but good enough, runs Windows or Linux, and it's in data center that runs government systems so it's pretty good.

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#1610840 12-Aug-2016 17:55

timmmay:

Rivera Apollo is Azure compatible and is comparably priced to Azure run by Microsoft. Nowhere near the features of flexibility of AWS, but good enough, runs Windows or Linux, and it's in data center that runs government systems so it's pretty good.

How can their v-DaaS offer Client OS's I'm sure that MS has yet to give DaaS Providers the licencing to offer this.

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#1610887 12-Aug-2016 18:53

Cloud has become a buzzword, so unfortunately too many times providers stretch the term far too far. In my book if it doesn't have an API so you can automatize the management of resources, have a pay as you go pricing and don't mind if you have just one bucket or hundreds of servers they are not different that VPS providers that were all the rage in 2006.

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#1610895 12-Aug-2016 19:14

pbgben:

How can their v-DaaS offer Client OS's I'm sure that MS has yet to give DaaS Providers the licencing to offer this.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

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#1610896 12-Aug-2016 19:16

marpada:

Cloud has become a buzzword, so unfortunately too many times providers stretch the term far too far. In my book if it doesn't have an API so you can automatize the management of resources, have a pay as you go pricing and don't mind if you have just one bucket or hundreds of servers they are not different that VPS providers that were all the rage in 2006.

In my case I am only looking for a Linux VPS service.

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#1610917 12-Aug-2016 19:35

MichaelNZ:

marpada:

Cloud has become a buzzword, so unfortunately too many times providers stretch the term far too far. In my book if it doesn't have an API so you can automatize the management of resources, have a pay as you go pricing and don't mind if you have just one bucket or hundreds of servers they are not different that VPS providers that were all the rage in 2006.

In my case I am only looking for a Linux VPS service.

Some companies are now using the term cloud for anything related to hosting I have found.

The topic should have been why is VPS hosting so expensive in NZ. It has been pretty much answered. I do agree with you that it is pricey, however it isn't exactly cheap overseas with some providers either I have found. But you do get what you pay for in terms of reliability and support.

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#1610919 12-Aug-2016 19:43

MichaelNZ:

In my case I am only looking for a Linux VPS service.

Does it have to be in New Zealand? If so, why? Sydney has heaps of providers (AWS, Azure, and a few others mentioned in another thread recently), it's 34ms away (if routed correctly), and you can use the free tier of the CloudFlare CDN to make things super fast.

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#1610961 12-Aug-2016 20:22

comes down to bandwidth price

i know a few companies charge more for servers in NZ and AU than in USA or EU

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#1610978 12-Aug-2016 21:03

biggal:

comes down to bandwidth price

i know a few companies charge more for servers in NZ and AU than in USA or EU

AWS does that, they say it reflects their costs. A decent spec server costs 40% more in Sydney than the USA, 1TB of outgoing bandwidth costs 58% more. Each region is different.

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