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# 43872 22-Oct-2009 12:52
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any information advise would be good.

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  # 266058 22-Oct-2009 12:53
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Where/how are you studying currently?



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  # 266060 22-Oct-2009 12:58
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I'm not at the moement but since i can remember i have always wanted to get into web design, I have played around with PHP and i seem to enjoy it alot.

I have contacted most of the course people and no one seems to know were I could studdy Just php side of it.

I know there is zend traiing online but I dont know about that website pluss I dont have $2500 that i can just spend on a course.

 
 
 
 


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  # 266062 22-Oct-2009 13:03
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First day for me here at geekzone :P My name is Karl im from new zealand, love cars and I am currently studying PHP Web Desighn.


Sorry, I thought you were studying.

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  # 266064 22-Oct-2009 13:06
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Honest opinion? Just learn how to read the PHP developer guide and reference. If you got good javascript foundation/knowledge, then you'd know most of the syntax and grammar. Just learn functions and objects.

AND there's no better way to learn other than undertake a very basic simple idea and make it happen. Trust me, through trials and errors, and knowing where to find solution to the problem you're facing and a bit of research skills, you don't need to be taught how to programme. Internet is your classroom in this case.

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  # 266072 22-Oct-2009 13:10
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I am from new plymouth yea i have had a play with some internet tuts. but i want a certifacate to go with it as well. just so I can get a job with the certificate. well yea you are right about once you know one lang the rest folow very easly. so what course would you sugest i get into?

thanks for all your help by the way

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  # 266077 22-Oct-2009 13:17
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Ha... well honest! certificate actually mean little, you can have certificate but with little experience or poor coding skill, it is useless... like I said, take on some tasks and build up a series of app as portfolio to showcase your experience that you can take with you for a job interview.




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  # 266080 22-Oct-2009 13:26
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well do you think asp would be a better lang to learn that php because php can come after?

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  # 266084 22-Oct-2009 13:29
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ASP classic is dying.

ASP.NET is a lot more "challenging" if you undertake the pure coding/programming approach, or it can be easy as PHP if you take on the scripting approach.

I'd recommend stick with PHP to build up a solid web programming foundation.

And if you don't know the difference between Web Design and Web Programming, think painter and builder. One to make it looks nice, the other to make it functional.




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  # 266085 22-Oct-2009 13:31
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ahh well put thank you very much. i will do a little more research and post my progress here.

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  # 266092 22-Oct-2009 14:00
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Certificates IMHO are over-rated..... none of my IT jobs have required me to have certification on anything, they liked the fact I had experience/knowledge.

Learn what you can yourself, then approach companies for work and if theyre a bit wary, then say that if they cover 50% of the cert, you'll go get certed while working for them :)

I only got my MCP/MCDST this year due to works agreement with MS Partnership requirement...somehting to do with how many MS certed staff are on board blah blah....





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  # 266107 22-Oct-2009 14:50
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xpd: Certificates IMHO are over-rated..... none of my IT jobs have required me to have certification on anything, they liked the fact I had experience/knowledge.

Learn what you can yourself, then approach companies for work and if theyre a bit wary, then say that if they cover 50% of the cert, you'll go get certed while working for them :)

I only got my MCP/MCDST this year due to works agreement with MS Partnership requirement...somehting to do with how many MS certed staff are on board blah blah....



Completely agree with that, I only got my MCP & RHCE at my last company because they needed a certain number for the partnership.

I've been doing PHP development professionally since 1999 (I started with php3) and learnt from their website manual, it's great. As previously mentioned don't bother with ASP, it's a dying language. If you want to go down the MS route do .net (preferably with C#, although it'll probably be much harder to learn than VB), but I've noticed that a lot of .net jobs will want you to have a degree.

If you want to learn PHP yourself the first thing to do is your basic "hello world", and then work from there. Once you understand the basic syntax maybe try to build yourself an application like a simple blogging site. It doesn't need to have all the bells and whistles but it should have the basics like database interaction, listing records, saving records and then move onto the more complicated things like data validation and security. As you're working on it get some ideas from some Open Source applications, you'll find a heap of them on SourceForge. You'll see many examples of how NOT to do things, but the more code you see the more you'll find the best way of doing things.



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  # 266116 22-Oct-2009 15:11
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Yea i thought that might be the best way. thats how i started geting into php so i know the basics. i just thought i would learn alot more via a course or some kind of training.

thanks to all of you for your advise this will help me alot.



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  # 266118 22-Oct-2009 15:20
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Hey one more thing guys sorry to be so damanding...

Were could i get a very good php tutorial for free that i could print off since i dont have dual screens it would make it alot easer for me to print it dont care how big 500+ pages is fine

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  # 266119 22-Oct-2009 15:23
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http://php.net/index.php

Poke around here :)




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