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#1403576 10-Oct-2015 17:41

So now all the people saying people opposed to the TPP were cranks and nutjobs, faced with the actual text for the IP section, are now rushing to assure me that it won't look that bad when it's implemented. Right. Just like Groser and Keys repeated assurances that medicines wouldn't cost more. Right.

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#1403592 10-Oct-2015 18:30

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So importing and selling HDCP strippers will still be legal under TPP?
Is Recording World cup rugby games off myskyHD using a HDCP stripper to PC legal for own use with mysky subscription?

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#1403600 10-Oct-2015 18:57

This EFF analysis can probably answer that for you: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/10/final-leaked-tpp-text-all-we-feared

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#1403607 10-Oct-2015 19:12

NZtechfreak: This EFF analysis can probably answer that for you:https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/10/final-leaked-tpp-text-all-we-feared

Thanks for posting this NZtechfreak. It's by far the best analysis I've yet seen.

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#1403609 10-Oct-2015 19:15

Rikkitic: So... if I use a DNS proxy or VPN to view foreign public access television that is already available to anyone in a particular country or geographical area, am I like a region-unblocked DVD or am I in big trouble? How do they decide this kind of thing? Put Sky in charge?

You will probably know when some black helicopters and a full SWAT team drive at your house........ well thats what happened last time.

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#1403610 10-Oct-2015 19:25

sir1963:
Rikkitic: So... if I use a DNS proxy or VPN to view foreign public access television that is already available to anyone in a particular country or geographical area, am I like a region-unblocked DVD or am I in big trouble? How do they decide this kind of thing? Put Sky in charge?

You will probably know when some black helicopters and a full SWAT team drive at your house........ well thats what happened last time.

please don't scare him. he might believe you.

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#1403693 11-Oct-2015 05:14

cruxis: Questions

So importing and selling HDCP strippers will still be legal under TPP?
Is Recording World cup rugby games off myskyHD using a HDCP stripper to PC legal for own use with mysky subscription?

No, and no. HDCP is copy protection, and it's technically illegal to break it now. And you would be pushing the proverbial uphill arguing a legitimate purpose behind recording to your PC from a PVR device. It's clearly not for timeshifting, as you're recording it off a timeshifting device.

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#1403745 11-Oct-2015 09:45

Meanwhile, the Electronic Communications Privacy Act was passed in California on Friday.
If enforcement agencies want to access digital records (incl from ISPs) - they now need to get a warrant.
Similar acts have been passed in other states, Utah, Texas, and Maine.

Do we have similar protections here?

If not, then why not?

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#1403756 11-Oct-2015 10:28

Kyanar:
cruxis: Questions

So importing and selling HDCP strippers will still be legal under TPP?
Is Recording World cup rugby games off myskyHD using a HDCP stripper to PC legal for own use with mysky subscription?

No, and no. HDCP is copy protection, and it's technically illegal to break it now. And you would be pushing the proverbial uphill arguing a legitimate purpose behind recording to your PC from a PVR device. It's clearly not for timeshifting, as you're recording it off a timeshifting device.

It is get the rugbygames onto a pc so I could use Emby to stream it out to a location without mysky, works a treat.

Looking further into TPP Such I usefull thing now gets a harsh penalty now.

One of the scariest parts of the TPP is that not only can you be made liable to fines and criminal penalties, but that any materials and implements used in the creation of infringing copies can also be destroyed (QQ.H.4(12)). The same applies to devices and products used for circumventing DRM or removing rights management information (QQ.H.4(17)). Because multi-use devices such as computers are used for a diverse range of purposes, this is once again a disproportionate penalty. This could lead to a family's home computer becoming seized simply because of its use in sharing files online, or for ripping Blu-Ray movies to a media center.

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#1403764 11-Oct-2015 11:07

Rikkitic:
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frankv:
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Or 'hence the drive to succeed and become one of them'....

I'm fine with that, so long as there is an *opportunity* to become one of them.

But power in this sense is a finite resource... if you share it with others, you diminish your own power. So those who have power in *any* system do the est they can to exclude others.

I don't for example see that a kid being raised nowadays by a solo mum in a State house could become Prime Minister with a personal fortune of $50M.

Depends on the intelligence of the child and the attitude of the mother as much as anything else.

Equality of opportunity and equality of outcome are not the same thing, of course - if the child has limited IQ then no, he/she probably won't. There is a tendency in these days of 'equality' to assume everyone can do the same things and it is only the evil system stopping them from being CEO of Fonterra or PM not their bad genes and/or useless parents etc.

Nothing I have seen persuades me that the IQ of John Key is particularly high.

He sure did not make $50 million by being thick....

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#1403812 11-Oct-2015 12:24

Geektastic:
Rikkitic:
Geektastic:
frankv:
Geektastic:

Or 'hence the drive to succeed and become one of them'....

I'm fine with that, so long as there is an *opportunity* to become one of them.

But power in this sense is a finite resource... if you share it with others, you diminish your own power. So those who have power in *any* system do the est they can to exclude others.

I don't for example see that a kid being raised nowadays by a solo mum in a State house could become Prime Minister with a personal fortune of $50M.

Depends on the intelligence of the child and the attitude of the mother as much as anything else.

Equality of opportunity and equality of outcome are not the same thing, of course - if the child has limited IQ then no, he/she probably won't. There is a tendency in these days of 'equality' to assume everyone can do the same things and it is only the evil system stopping them from being CEO of Fonterra or PM not their bad genes and/or useless parents etc.

Nothing I have seen persuades me that the IQ of John Key is particularly high.

He sure did not make $50 million by being thick....

No - he made it from currency trading.
Not margin trading, but speculative trade - always a significant obstacle to trade in goods and services.

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#1403851 11-Oct-2015 14:08

NZtechfreak: So now all the people saying people opposed to the TPP were cranks and nutjobs, faced with the actual text for the IP section, are now rushing to assure me that it won't look that bad when it's implemented. Right. Just like Groser and Keys repeated assurances that medicines wouldn't cost more. Right.

As I understand it the assurance was that medicines would not cost more to the consumer. They will increase the Pharmac buying budget so there is no change for the patient. Is it different? Certainly the overall costs for the government will increase and this will or could create pressures for other changes and that is a real danger. The Pharmac procedures will be exempt from ISDS and SDS so that is a relief.

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#1403855 11-Oct-2015 14:21

Geektastic:
Rikkitic: So... if I use a DNS proxy or VPN to view foreign public access television that is already available to anyone in a particular country or geographical area, am I like a region-unblocked DVD or am I in big trouble? How do they decide this kind of thing? Put Sky in charge?

How will they know?

DNS providers have to publish their DNS server addresses otherwise not many people will know what addresses to use. Traffic filters can be written to detect this. While such filters wouldn't get everyone, obviously, they don't need to. The vast majority would suffice.

Fred99: Meanwhile, the Electronic Communications Privacy Act was passed in California on Friday.
If enforcement agencies want to access digital records (incl from ISPs) - they now need to get a warrant.
Similar acts have been passed in other states, Utah, Texas, and Maine.

Do we have similar protections here?

Enforcement agencies wanting data from ISP's (any company actually) have always needed to obtain court orders. They used to be called search warrants but are now called production orders. Requests for information can be made under principle 11 (11(e) off the top of my head) of the Privacy Act - however, only very limited data will be provided.

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#1403856 11-Oct-2015 14:23

gzt:
NZtechfreak: So now all the people saying people opposed to the TPP were cranks and nutjobs, faced with the actual text for the IP section, are now rushing to assure me that it won't look that bad when it's implemented. Right. Just like Groser and Keys repeated assurances that medicines wouldn't cost more. Right.

As I understand it the assurance was that medicines would not cost more to the consumer. They will increase the Pharmac buying budget so there is no change for the patient. Is it different? Certainly the overall costs for the government will increase and this will or could create pressures for other changes and that is a real danger. The Pharmac procedures will be exempt from ISDS and SDS so that is a relief.

Remember though, the Governments money is what they took from you in the first place. Increased Pharmac costs will be met by every tax paying person/corporation/organisation.

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#1403860 11-Oct-2015 14:38

NZtechfreak: So now all the people saying people opposed to the TPP were cranks and nutjobs, faced with the actual text for the IP section, are now rushing to assure me that it won't look that bad when it's implemented. Right. Just like Groser and Keys repeated assurances that medicines wouldn't cost more. Right.

The name calling is designed to scare people from looking at the issues. There is no doubt in my mind that the medical changes would have been far worse without international opposition*. For countries where effective political processes are suppressed or not operating I think they will be worse.

*or maybe with more dairy access.

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