NZ legalities around sharing UFB over 1km with NanoBeams

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#1423392 8-Nov-2015 23:47

Short range devices GURL should cover it?

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#1423439 9-Nov-2015 08:28

richms: Short range devices GURL should cover it?

Using the SRD gurl only gives you 6dBW, much less that the 23 dBW on the fixed gurl.

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#1423442 9-Nov-2015 08:40

Ardgowan:

* pay for some random person's UFB internet about 1KM away
* allow them free use of it, in exchange for an antenna on their roof pointing at me

Anything I should be wary of?

You may struggle to find an ISP that will be happy for you to do this.

Most (If not all ISP's), probably won't like the idea of sharing with neighbor/or friend. But I could be wrong. Just check that you are not violating their T&C's before signing up.

Bigger problem however is "random person 1 KM away". I would not be happy sharing my internet connection with somebody else. What happens if they use if for illegal activities, or they don't secure it properly and somebody else uses it. If you going to be paying the bill, you will be the person responsible.
Just my 2cents

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#1423508 9-Nov-2015 09:47

deadlyllama: Australia is crazy. You can't run data cable inside your own house.

NZ is thankfully not that crazy. You will be fine.

I share my UFB with a neighbour. We split the bill. At some stage I will have a go at providing free internet to our street.

The only worries I would have are around access to the router etc if it breaks while your neighbour is on holiday. And liability for copyright infringement.

Actually check your T&C's re your plan to share your internet with your neighbours. Most if not all will have rules around "acting as an ISP" and Connection sharing for profit.

Also sound kinda dumb really, since even 100Mbps shared 20 ways seems a recipe for disaster, not to mention if your neighbour is into kiddie porn, YOU are going to jail.

A lot of people with this idea wouldn't have the first clue about bandwidth management and more importantly security.

A few weeks after you set this up, I expect MANY posts asking why your internet is is slow, and you are having problems accessing this site and that site.

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#1423539 9-Nov-2015 10:40

I hear people's concerns, but I think the devil's in the details — and I've been very fortunate in the details.

In many instances there are black-and-white answers which cleanly dispel the issue e.g. ISP T&C's — I checked mine prior to going ahead, and there's nothing in them to rule out what I'm doing.

For the rest of the concerns I'm hearing, it comes down to one of expectations, skill or trust. I'm fortunate to live in a small town where trust is the norm, and found an awesome older person who facebooks and does internet banking and that's it. If her grandchildren come around and leech or something and it comes back to bite me, I'll work through that with her and/or the ISP. It's incredibly unlikely, because of who she is. Also I have root control of the modem.

Expectations and skill are all in my court. I had to learn how to set this up and configure it, but really — it's not rocket science if you're interested in this sort of thing. If I was sharing the connection freely to 20 neighbours, I'd learn how to configure bandwidth limitations etc, and have low expectations on speed. In my case though, sharing only two ways, and with an expectation of something better than my previous 3MB/sec, it was going to be hard to lose :)

All told I'd have to say it's been an awesome success. I'm always sitting around a reliable 90/20 MB/sec.

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#1423540 9-Nov-2015 10:41

Ardgowan: I hear people's concerns, but I think the devil's in the details — and I've been very fortunate in the details.

In many instances there are black-and-white answers which cleanly dispel the issue e.g. ISP T&C's — I checked mine prior to going ahead, and there's nothing in them to rule out what I'm doing.

What ISP is that?

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#1423544 9-Nov-2015 10:50

https://www.slingshot.co.nz/terms-and-conditions/broadband

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#1423548 9-Nov-2015 10:59

Ardgowan: https://www.slingshot.co.nz/terms-and-conditions/broadband

You will be violating those T&C's.

But they probably won't care. Therefore its more of an ethical decision as opposed to hardware etc.

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#1423591 9-Nov-2015 11:53

Which part am I violating?

But yes, I am sure I am (also) violating 4.1.3 as I check my work email from home.

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#1423614 9-Nov-2015 12:22

Ardgowan: Which part am I violating?

But yes, I am sure I am (also) violating 4.1.3 as I check my work email from home.

I'm not a lawyer, suggest you maybe consult one? If you violating 4.1.3 then that's another topic. Checking work email from home is in no way violating it, well at least thats how I read it.

I just scanned through it quickly, so here are the possible violation parts. IMO:

4.1.2: not resell any Services to another party; (technically you may have a hard time in court proving that either you, or your neighbor are not reselling the service.)
4.1.3: use our Services in a reasonable and responsible manner (you cannot ensure your neighbor is doing this)

4.3: You are responsible for providing suitable environmental conditions for any Equipment and the Services, including reliable electricity supply with surge protection, if applicable. (How can you do this if you paying some random persons to supply this?)

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#1423650 9-Nov-2015 13:04

Ardgowan: Which part am I violating?

But yes, I am sure I am (also) violating 4.1.3 as I check my work email from home.

No, there is a difference between that and what you are doing. There no restriction of using your residential connection to access commercial resources as best I can tell, but there ARE specific areas of your T&C which relate to your onselling/reselling for financial gain.

The bottom line is you will probably use more traffic than you would under normal circumstances, this means you are being greedy and selfish at the very least, because it just adds to the resources load.

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#1423745 9-Nov-2015 14:20

Just noting that this is incredibly common on rural properties, the one house probably has ok adsl but none of the other houses do not, so they set up a shared wireless connection.

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#1423749 9-Nov-2015 14:22

Killerkiwi2005: Just noting that this is incredibly common on rural properties, the one house probably has ok adsl but none of the other houses do not, so they set up a shared wireless connection.

I find that considerably more tolerable when there is no way for other properties to get internet, but what this guy is suggesting is just gaming the the system for financial gain.

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#1423781 9-Nov-2015 15:12

networkn:
Killerkiwi2005: Just noting that this is incredibly common on rural properties, the one house probably has ok adsl but none of the other houses do not, so they set up a shared wireless connection.

I find that considerably more tolerable when there is no way for other properties to get internet, but what this guy is suggesting is just gaming the the system for financial gain.

Yes if he is onselling thats the moral line I would think, if he just wants UFB and has no other way to get it more power to him

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#1423783 9-Nov-2015 15:18

4.1.2: not resell any Services to another party; (technically you may have a hard time in court proving that either you, or your neighbor are not reselling the service.)
4.1.3: use our Services in a reasonable and responsible manner (you cannot ensure your neighbor is doing this)

4.3: You are responsible for providing suitable environmental conditions for any Equipment and the Services, including reliable electricity supply with surge protection, if applicable. (How can you do this if you paying some random persons to supply this?)

Re: 4.1.2 I'm not reselling anything. No money changes hands. My money goes straight to the ISP monthly.

4.1.3. Yes I can. I trust her. But sure, I can't guarantee it. Nor can you on your home connection, if you ever give a visitor to your house your wifi password. Or have teenagers in the house. Or have your teenagers' friends in the house. Or are using a vulnerable router.

4.3 This is not some random person. Besides, I installed the gear myself. So yes, I can guarantee the equipment is in suitable environmental conditions.

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Killerkiwi2005: Just noting that this is incredibly common on rural properties, the one house probably has ok adsl but none of the other houses do not, so they set up a shared wireless connection.

The bottom line is you will probably use more traffic than you would under normal circumstances, this means you are being greedy and selfish at the very least, because it just adds to the resources load.

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I find that considerably more tolerable when there is no way for other properties to get internet, but what this guy is suggesting is just gaming the the system for financial gain.

Maybe you haven't read the whole thread (no offence, I wouldn't blame you). I'm not on-selling this. It's direct to my house, where I use it, and it goes nowhere else. What Killerkiwi2005 said is exactly what I've done. I'm in a rural area with awful internet quality, but have line of site to someone who has UFB.

I don't think it's different than if I was boarding with this elderly lady and she was happy for me to get UFB put on at her house so long as I paid for it.

The combined bandwidth would be no different. A lot (me) plus virtually nothing (her). The only difference is that I'm not physically on the premises (which is obviously the pivotal issue). Every other aspect is identical. But hey — it's good for me if people are too worried about T&C's to do something similar... less bandwidth pollution :)

My 4.1.3 "violation" was a joke. Sorry that wasn't obvious, but I was pointing at that you could easily spin the T&Cs any way you wanted.

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