NZ legalities around sharing UFB over 1km with NanoBeams

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Marmalade

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#159762 11-Dec-2014 21:49

My latest plan to get something like UFB speed instead of our 3MBs ADSL is a pair of NanoBeams covering a distance of about 1km. Our neighbour has a 12m pole he's happy for us to mount it on so hopefully we can get reasonable LOS.

However, I read that in Australia it's possibly illegal to send telecommunications between two locations without a licence, or something. Does anyone know if it's entirely legit for me to:

* pay for some random person's UFB internet about 1KM away
* allow them free use of it, in exchange for an antenna on their roof pointing at me

Anything I should be wary of?

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#1195899 11-Dec-2014 22:02

All countries have strange and bizarre laws',

but I 'm pretty sure there is nothing in NZ to stop you doing what you are planning...

Points to point wifi is pretty common, esp as a rural solution

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#1195915 11-Dec-2014 22:13

You should be OK, as long as the kit you are using doesn't break any of the transmission rules - the frequency it uses, transmission power etc.

If in doubt, write/email the Government spectrum licensing people and ask them what the rules are. They ought to be able to tell you.

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#1195924 11-Dec-2014 22:40

Providing you company with relevant laws regarding power limits there is nothing illegal about it. It's also not illegal in Australia either.

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#1196515 12-Dec-2014 19:05

You are right that australia does have a telecommunications licence system.
I dont know the exact legal requirements but I do know that ISP's or providers of internet access are required to register, seperate from the isp's business registration.

In NZ, anyone can be a telco without registering anything.

So you may want to double check to find out what the requirements are if you are in Australia and at what point you become a telco - you may not even need to be a business to be a telco. South Africa is quite restrictive too.

Anyhow you will probably find its simpler than we think.

Some industries require this sort of process - much like in NZ if you want to install a security camera, or alarm system, you need to be a registered security tech - and that is the person, not the company they work for.

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#1196519 12-Dec-2014 19:12

Australia is crazy. You can't run data cable inside your own house.

NZ is thankfully not that crazy. You will be fine.

I share my UFB with a neighbour. We split the bill. At some stage I will have a go at providing free internet to our street.

The only worries I would have are around access to the router etc if it breaks while your neighbour is on holiday. And liability for copyright infringement.

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#1196520 12-Dec-2014 19:15

Actually sorry I am wrong.
We do now have a registration system - TICSA and the police as of this year.
Anyone providing a telecommunications service needs to be registered and meet the requirements.

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#1196522 12-Dec-2014 19:20

raytaylor: Actually sorry I am wrong.
We do now have a registration system - TICSA and the police as of this year.
Anyone providing a telecommunications service needs to be registered and meet the requirements.

Does TICSA apply at any size? Does the local Cafe providing free wifi have to register?

Bloody stupid system if you ask me but when the two major political parties join forces to give the GCSB and friends everything on their Christmas list, this is what we get.

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#1196545 12-Dec-2014 19:59

Can't run data cable in the house?

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#1196546 12-Dec-2014 20:08

joker97: Can't run data cable in the house?

I heard they relaxed that rule (as far as 'last meter' ethernet cabling goes), but they still have the (as far as I've heard) any telecommunications cabling connected direct to telecom-network must be done by a sparkie/other qualified person rule.

O.P. As long as you comply with the RSM rules for open-use spectrum my understanding is that you shouldn't have a problem.

http://www.rsm.govt.nz/about-rsm/spectrum-policy/gazette/gurl/short-range-devices may be a worthwhile read, also defines max-power etc for various frequencies.

Edit: This one may be more useful....

Any person may transmit radio waves using Fixed Radio Link Devices, including those known as U-NII devices, using digital modulation techniques to typically provide high data rate fixed point-to-point communications for individuals, businesses and institutions, in accordance with the applicable terms, conditions and restrictions of this notice.

http://www.rsm.govt.nz/about-rsm/spectrum-policy/gazette/gurl/fixed-radio-link-devices

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#1196630 12-Dec-2014 22:09

Hey, I honestly doubt you'll run into issue with this.

NanoBeams should be perfectly legal, they run in the standard WiFi spectrum at acceptable limits.

The only thing that is border line is the ISP itself, most do not allow sharing of an internet connection, however I doubt they'll pull you up on it.

Good luck, I hope to do the same thing once the area near me gets connected to UFB.

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#1196637 12-Dec-2014 22:31

You are extending your lan, not providing a telecommunication service.

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#1196669 13-Dec-2014 00:20

It's almost certianly against the ts and cs of the ISP to share a connection in this manner, so you could argue it's immoral to breach the ts and cs.
However if you are the kind of person who is ok with watching netflix illegitimately, then you should be ok with this too.

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#1196672 13-Dec-2014 00:37

How is it different to when people share a connection in a flat? Thats not a problem for ISP's

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#1196678 13-Dec-2014 02:44

richms: How is it different to when people share a connection in a flat? Thats not a problem for ISP's

They do reside within the same dwelling though. So that's a pretty big difference...

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#1196695 13-Dec-2014 08:31

NonprayingMantis: It's almost certianly against the ts and cs of the ISP to share a connection in this manner, so you could argue it's immoral to breach the ts and cs.
However if you are the kind of person who is ok with watching netflix illegitimately, then you should be ok with this too.

I've read my ISPs T&Cs and haven't found anything that I could interpret as meaning "no sharing."

Snap have a clause saying "no reselling without written consent from us" but I don't know if sharing counts as reselling, or if reselling is on selling am entire connection. This doesn't matter to me because I'm not a Snap customer.

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