NZ legalities around sharing UFB over 1km with NanoBeams

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#1423833 9-Nov-2015 15:59

You probably want to check out the Chorus terms and conditions too.

Chorus owns and provides the network to which services are provided to the end users.

https://www.chorus.co.nz/file/11590/CUFBSA-End-User-Terms.pdf

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#1423834 9-Nov-2015 16:00

DizzyD: You probably want to check out the Chorus terms and conditions too.

Chorus owns and provides the network to which services are provided to the end users.

https://www.chorus.co.nz/file/11590/CUFBSA-End-User-Terms.pdf

I get the distinct impression he actually doesn't care about the legalities, it's pretty clear to me, he intends to do this regardless, because HE thinks it's ok.

Wouldn't matter what evidence was provided.

In my mind the only way this is legit, is if he pays his neighbour to install it, and ONLY HE uses it (Neighbour gets their own separate connection).

If this is the case, then all power to him, if not, he is aiding someone breaching the terms and conditions of the agreement they would be signing up for.

BTW OP I am not having a go at you personally. These are just my personal observations. I understand the motivation.

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#1423836 9-Nov-2015 16:02

And home owner will need to sign the Chorus Consent Form.
Good Luck with that!

https://www.chorus.co.nz/file/56827/NDF-240-Ultra-Fast-Broadband-Installation-Consent-Form.pdf

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#1423851 9-Nov-2015 16:24

I am doing almost exactly this. Couple of M5 PowerBeams from home to the office, I went from 3MBps to 100MBps. Also great when server at work needs something done to it.

I go by the old maxim that its easier to apologise than get permission.

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#1423901 9-Nov-2015 17:24

networkn:
DizzyD: You probably want to check out the Chorus terms and conditions too.

Chorus owns and provides the network to which services are provided to the end users.

https://www.chorus.co.nz/file/11590/CUFBSA-End-User-Terms.pdf

I get the distinct impression he actually doesn't care about the legalities, it's pretty clear to me, he intends to do this regardless, because HE thinks it's ok.

Nonsense, I looked into it all and satisfied myself that it was completely legit. Then I asked here on GZ (almost a year ago) and the majority of responses agreed with my initial research, including responses from some of the most knowledgeable guys in this business.

Your arguments to the contrary are too vague — did you actually read the PDF you linked to? If so, what's relevant in it?

HOWEVER, what you're possibly picking up on is that I'm more in tune with kiwitrc :) A very unreliable 3MB/sec does give one a bit of an "attitude" :)

DizzyD: And home owner will need to sign the Chorus Consent Form.
Good Luck with that!

https://www.chorus.co.nz/file/56827/NDF-240-Ultra-Fast-Broadband-Installation-Consent-Form.pdf

It's a done deal — wasn't a problem. I've been on 90MB/sec for about 6 months now.

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#1423910 9-Nov-2015 17:41

Ardgowan:
networkn:
DizzyD: You probably want to check out the Chorus terms and conditions too.

Chorus owns and provides the network to which services are provided to the end users.

https://www.chorus.co.nz/file/11590/CUFBSA-End-User-Terms.pdf

I get the distinct impression he actually doesn't care about the legalities, it's pretty clear to me, he intends to do this regardless, because HE thinks it's ok.

Nonsense, I looked into it all and satisfied myself that it was completely legit. Then I asked here on GZ (almost a year ago) and the majority of responses agreed with my initial research, including responses from some of the most knowledgeable guys in this business.

Your arguments to the contrary are too vague — did you actually read the PDF you linked to? If so, what's relevant in it?

HOWEVER, what you're possibly picking up on is that I'm more in tune with kiwitrc :) A very unreliable 3MB/sec does give one a bit of an "attitude" :)

DizzyD: And home owner will need to sign the Chorus Consent Form.
Good Luck with that!

https://www.chorus.co.nz/file/56827/NDF-240-Ultra-Fast-Broadband-Installation-Consent-Form.pdf

It's a done deal — wasn't a problem. I've been on 90MB/sec for about 6 months now.

Who accepts liability if Chorus ONT starts a fire and burns down the old lady's house?

Chorus certainly wont. Her insurance? Don't think so either.

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#1423911 9-Nov-2015 17:45

DizzyD:

Who accepts liability if Chorus ONT starts a fire and burns down the old lady's house?

Chorus certainly wont. Her insurance? Don't think so either.

Good point, what if lightning is attracted to the antenna, or maybe a comet, or a plague of locusts. Bugger now I am worried.

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#1423924 9-Nov-2015 18:02

DizzyD:
Who accepts liability if Chorus ONT starts a fire and burns down the old lady's house?

Chorus certainly wont. Her insurance? Don't think so either.

Why wouldn't her insurance cover it? The house is insured, it burned because of no fault of her own. That's why you have it.

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#1423939 9-Nov-2015 18:57

richms:
DizzyD:
Who accepts liability if Chorus ONT starts a fire and burns down the old lady's house?

Chorus certainly wont. Her insurance? Don't think so either.

Why wouldn't her insurance cover it? The house is insured, it burned because of no fault of her own. That's why you have it.

She has insurance? If the ont causes a fire the insurance company will be going after chorus. This is why chorus accepts liability for this sort of thing. See PDF link above.

I guess all those stupid rules in Australia serve a purpose after all. It's to prevent things like this. In the unlikely event that something like this happened it will be sure to open a can of worms. Who accepts liability?

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#1423968 9-Nov-2015 19:50

Ye gods, you're a cheery one! No, it's not going to burn down her house, it's never happened once in the history of the UFB scheme (surely? lol).

And yes, chorus' insurance would fully cover any damage to her house just like it would to any other house they install UFB into. It's silly to suggest otherwise — unless you're saying Chorus would prohibit an ISP from providing consumers with a plan that explicitly allows sharing the connection (Chorus have no incentive to do this, in fact I'd argue they would love it as it saves another install). The homeowner signed their documents, she got UFB installed, she's covered, end of story.

In fact I installed my Nanobeam while the Chorus guys were there — they were very kind and helped me get my stuff in through the roof cavity (not saying Chorus installers know the legal ins and outs of course).

Anyway, this thread is kind of going a bit silly. I think I'm out for now.

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