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#284018 25-Mar-2021 17:03
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Hi,

 

Hoping this is the correct place to post and hoping someone can steer me in the correct direction (short of my just reading the entire Telecommunications act word-for-word).

 

I have just received a notification from our internet/landline provider (Vodafone) that Chorus is planning to decommission our copper landlines by August 2021 and we should switch to fibre/VDSL/VOIP. 

 

The problem is we have no fibre, our ADSL runs over the same copper landlines, and we have no cellular coverage at our address.  So while I would be thrilled to switch to fibre or VDSL, no such service exists.

 

What legal rights do I have? Can Chorus just decide to terminate our copper landlines we have had for over 20 years and take our phone and ADSL service away without offering us an alternate service?

 

Here's a little background about our situation (in case this thread turns into a  'use RBI' discussion)....

My business is located on Waiheke (as some may know from my prior posts on Geekzone) and we have a long history of issues with getting reliable broadband service at our location.  We have copper landlines and ADSL that runs around 4-5mbps and goes down multiple times a year due to a long and deteriorating copper cable that runs to our properties from Rocky Bay through Whakanewha.  We are also in an area where we do not receive cellular signal either so Vodafone 3G/4G RBI has been explored and is not an option.  Fibre was run (last year) across our property driveway, but we were told that is Chorus's backhaul and only available to customers on request. I made an 'NGA on application' through Vodafone and Chorus came back with $103,000 for us to connect (the fibre and an access port is literally <4m from one of our buildings).  So our options our limited to get any service and now it seems they are saying we are going to lose our analog phone lines and our ADSL service and be cut off from phone and internet access.

 

We do use a local business to supplement our internet with some WiFi access, but it is subject to all the problems of WiFi internet (rain degradation, latency, interference, packet loss, power outages, etc...).  When compared to fixed line internet it just doesn't meet the same level of reliability and this is why our phone line, voip, and suresignal repeater all run over this copper ADSL line so that we can operate our business.  Furthermore, this WiFi internet service is a small Waiheke based business so there is always the risk that this small business could fold-up shop and with Chorus saying we are going to be disconnected from all service, we could find ourselves cut-off from the basic services we have had the last 20 years.

 

 

 

So I'm wondering if we have any legal rights here or if we can just be 'decommissioned' from phone and internet service.

 

 

 

 


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  #2682818 29-Mar-2021 23:21
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wired:

 

think I heard that two areas have been selected as part of the trial for later this year which are in the main cities but I can't find any references to them in the announcements. I expect that Chorus will start off slowly to make sure everything goes smoothly.

 

As mentioned in other posts, Spark is proceeding with decommissioning the NEAX equipment which provides voice services. This should be finished by 2023 according to their investor statements and is separate from the Chorus work. 

 

 

The two areas you heard about are Miramar Wgtn and Devonport Akld - in these areas, SPARK are closing down their PSTN service as per your second sentence above, with other areas to follow I believe. In these areas the Spark PSTN service delivered over NEAX will cease, and other RSPs who wholesale a Spark PSTN service may also have some impacted customers. But the physical copper wires in these areas will remain in place and baseband IP services from Chorus will remain available for RSPs and end users who consume them for the time being. 

 

Getting back to the original post, as others have stated it does appear that that Vodafone has not given the OP correct information. Chorus is about to trial switching off copper in specific & highly localised areas with extremely high fibre uptake, where few copper customers remain. But for that trial, only fibre capable addresses are included, all affected customers have already been directly advised by Chorus - and we have already stopped accepting new copper connection/activation requests for these addresses. None of these addresses are on Waiheke Island though. If the OP is in any doubt about this, they can check their address against the list of affected addresses here

 

So on the surface, the OPs issue does appear to relate to Spark's PSTN/NEAX shutdown, rather than anything Chorus is doing. I think another conversation with Vodafone is required to clarify the messaging.





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