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#169767 25-Mar-2015 09:36
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A Bill to curb the growing incidence of cyberbullying and its devastating effects passed its second reading in Parliament last night.

The Harmful Digital Communications Bill introduces a range of measures to address damaging online communications and ensure perpetrators are held to account for their actions.

Justice Minister Amy Adams says the Bill will prevent and reduce the harm caused by cyberbullying and harassment.

“Harmful digital communications include emails, texts and social media posts that people use to intimidate others, spread damaging or degrading rumours and publish invasive and distressing photographs,” says Ms Adams.

“This Bill has the potential to stop cyberbullies and reduce the devastating impact their actions can have. Importantly, our proposals also empower victims, by providing a quick, low-cost and effective way to right the wrongs done to them.

Ms Adams said recent events, such as the Roast Busters case, highlighted the need for legislation to help prevent victims from being re-traumatised on the internet and hold perpetrators to account.

“The suggestion that existing laws are adequate and effective for a young person trying to remove abusive material from a website is wrong. Current processes can be costly and lengthy, and even then gaps still exist. This Bill tackles cyberbullying head on and simplifies the process for getting abusive material off the internet in a quick and proportionate way.”

Measures in the Bill will:

 

  • establish a complaint handling agency to resolve the vast bulk of complaints about harmful digital communications
  • allow people to take serious complaints to the District Court, which could issue remedies, such as take-down orders and cease-and-desist notices
  • allow people to easily and quickly request the removal of harmful content, while also clarifying the liability of online content hosts (called a ‘safe harbour’ provision)
  • make it an offence to send messages and post material online that are intended to cause harm
  • create a new offence of incitement to commit suicide, in situations where the person does not attempt to take their own life.
The Bill includes a number of amendments recommended by the Justice and Electoral Select Committee.

These include:

 

  • a modified safe harbour provision, to better balance removal requests with freedom of expression rights
  • increased maximum penalties for two offences
  • and a new provision allowing the District Court to order an Internet Protocol Address Provider (IPAP) to release the identity of an anonymous communicator to the court.
“I’m also considering advice from officials on whether any further minor amendments to the Bill are necessary. I want to ensure that the Bill is as clear and effective as possible,” says Ms Adams.




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  #1267334 25-Mar-2015 09:42
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all very well but what happens if the bully or website is from another country where NZ law has no jurisdiction.




Common sense is not as common as you think.




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  #1267335 25-Mar-2015 09:43
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Also, when someone is rightly criticised but goes around crying "BULLYING!"




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  #1267357 25-Mar-2015 10:22
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freitasm: Also, when someone is rightly criticised but goes around crying "BULLYING!"


Yes, there are huge variances in sensitivity between individuals and that is going to be a big problem.

I get bullied a lot online and I prefer to swipe back rather than waste my time going to the high court every time someone threatens me with violence or tells me to kill myself. Am I now going to be characterised as a bully just for defending myself?



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  #1267362 25-Mar-2015 10:24
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The Act has good intent and there is a need for this, its interpretation is going to be a fine line.

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  #1267396 25-Mar-2015 10:57
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Terrible bill is terrible.

It will be legal to tell someone to their face to go jump off a cliff, but say it online and you can go to jail.






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  #1267711 25-Mar-2015 15:56
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You might be wrong about that. Incitement of suicide will become an offence in the same way threatening to kill threatening to harm now is. I assume that will be added to the crimes act. Good thing.

Some of the other things look horribly non specific tho. Banning abusive speech online when it is not illegal offline look like a slippery slope indeed.

Personally I would prefer the effort and funding to go into reducing violence in schools and other kinds of harm prevention programs which are proven to work.

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  #1267826 25-Mar-2015 18:41
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gzt: You might be wrong about that. Incitement of suicide will become an offence in the same way threatening to kill threatening to harm now is. I assume that will be added to the crimes act. Good thing.


That's even worse. Quite apart from the utterly chilling impact on free speech, we should be working towards a society where suicide is legal, particularly assisted suicide!








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  #1267987 25-Mar-2015 22:46
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Well i see the humour but its kind of out of context in this topic.

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  #1268037 26-Mar-2015 07:45
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Lias:
gzt: You might be wrong about that. Incitement of suicide will become an offence in the same way threatening to kill threatening to harm now is. I assume that will be added to the crimes act. Good thing.


That's even worse. Quite apart from the utterly chilling impact on free speech, we should be working towards a society where suicide is legal, particularly assisted suicide!






I am not sure if you are trolling or serious but bullying has nothing to do with freedom of speech. This bill is trying to address a serious issue that has tragic consequences.

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  #1268049 26-Mar-2015 08:18
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KiwiNZ:



I am not sure if you are trolling or serious but bullying has nothing to do with freedom of speech. This bill is trying to address a serious issue that has tragic consequences.


It has everything to do with freedom of speech. 

These sort of things are legal, but would become illegal if this bill passes
Publish the address of a known sex offender (Principal 1)
Say something with the intention of offending someone (Principal 3)
Any sort of leak or whistleblowing (Principal 7)
Say anything that will deliberately upset someone (Principal 8)
Say anything negative about a person based on their colour, race, ethnic or national origins, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or disability (Principle 10)

We already have laws against libel, defamation, harassment, and discrimination, we do not need this new law.









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  #1268059 26-Mar-2015 08:29
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Lias:
KiwiNZ:



I am not sure if you are trolling or serious but bullying has nothing to do with freedom of speech. This bill is trying to address a serious issue that has tragic consequences.


It has everything to do with freedom of speech. 

These sort of things are legal, but would become illegal if this bill passes
Publish the address of a known sex offender (Principal 1)
Say something with the intention of offending someone (Principal 3)
Any sort of leak or whistleblowing (Principal 7)
Say anything that will deliberately upset someone (Principal 8)
Say anything negative about a person based on their colour, race, ethnic or national origins, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or disability (Principle 10)

We already have laws against libel, defamation, harassment, and discrimination, we do not need this new law.







Clearly our current laws are not strong enough, it is not OK to harass and denigrate people based on their colour, race, ethnic or national origins, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or disability... ever.

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  #1268067 26-Mar-2015 08:37
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KiwiNZ:
Lias: We already have laws against libel, defamation, harassment, and discrimination, we do not need this new law.

Clearly our current laws are not strong enough, it is not OK to harass and denigrate people based on their colour, race, ethnic or national origins, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or disability... ever.


What if a Christian wants to express a genuinely held view against homosexuality? What if trendy urban liberals find that highly offensive? There are going to be a lot of grey areas like this.

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  #1268072 26-Mar-2015 08:44
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alasta:
KiwiNZ:
Lias: We already have laws against libel, defamation, harassment, and discrimination, we do not need this new law.

Clearly our current laws are not strong enough, it is not OK to harass and denigrate people based on their colour, race, ethnic or national origins, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or disability... ever.


What if a Christian wants to express a genuinely held view against homosexuality? What if trendy urban liberals find that highly offensive? There are going to be a lot of grey areas like this.


You can address the issue without denigrating or harassing an individual or group.

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  #1268075 26-Mar-2015 08:53
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KiwiNZ: 

Clearly our current laws are not strong enough, it is not OK to harass and denigrate people based on their colour, race, ethnic or national origins, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or disability... ever.


Cannot disagree strongly enough. When it comes to speech I very strongly believe in the words of Evelyn Beatrice Hall when she paraphrased Voltaire "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

We have laws against discrimination and that is sufficient. This law will criminalize someone stating their honest opinion. You don't have to agree with it, or like it, but someone should still be able to post online saying " I don't like Bob because he's a poof" or "I don't like Mohammed because he's a dirty towelhead" without going to jail.






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  #1268094 26-Mar-2015 09:04
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Lias:
KiwiNZ: 

Clearly our current laws are not strong enough, it is not OK to harass and denigrate people based on their colour, race, ethnic or national origins, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or disability... ever.


Cannot disagree strongly enough. When it comes to speech I very strongly believe in the words of Evelyn Beatrice Hall when she paraphrased Voltaire "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

We have laws against discrimination and that is sufficient. This law will criminalize someone stating their honest opinion. You don't have to agree with it, or like it, but someone should still be able to post online saying " I don't like Bob because he's a poof" or "I don't like Mohammed because he's a dirty towelhead" without going to jail.




you can disagree without racial or other insults and denigration. Doing it you just demeans yourself and defeats your own argument. I can easily debate Islam or Christianity or sexual preference without ever being insulting.

You can never justify racism etc and your argument clearly demonstrates the need for this bill.

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