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NZtechfreak
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  #389193 7-Oct-2010 14:22
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Class 6 refers to the write speed, I'm not sure how anybody thinks that will speed up operation in the phone. What use-case can you put forward that needs more than a Class 2 write speed? Even 720p video encoding doesn't need it. In terms of the read speed they're basically the same. The in-phone performance difference between Class 2 and 6 cards is negligible, only writing to the cards in a card reader would really show you the difference. People have really got carried away with the Class ratings without actually thinking about what they actually mean in terms of in-phone performance...




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  #389200 7-Oct-2010 14:39
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With a swapfile on the SD card (a necessary evil on the 32B board Magic and G1) it certainly makes a difference.

Its also extremely noticeable on a DSLR if you are shooting full resolution RAW and in my experience read speeds off the camera are significantly better off my class 6 cards than the cheaper class 2s

As for a phone though I don't think I'd bother with a fast card if not using a swap which you don't need to on modern Android phones. I still have ~90MB free from whatever the internal storage is on my Magic is anyway and I have tonnes of apps installed.

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  #389205 7-Oct-2010 14:50
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NZtechfreak: Class 6 refers to the write speed, I'm not sure how anybody thinks that will speed up operation in the phone. What use-case can you put forward that needs more than a Class 2 write speed? Even 720p video encoding doesn't need it. In terms of the read speed they're basically the same. The in-phone performance difference between Class 2 and 6 cards is negligible, only writing to the cards in a card reader would really show you the difference. People have really got carried away with the Class ratings without actually thinking about what they actually mean in terms of in-phone performance...


Thanks for this info, I have been looking at larger capacity cards and had been swayed by the whole faster speed = better performance idea. But as the class 2's are significantly cheaper I will most likely grab one of those over a class 6 and save a few bob.

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  #389230 7-Oct-2010 15:35
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After a few hours of fruitless mucking around with truphone and all the rest I came across a reference to the new skype lat night and whacked it into my Milestone where it worked really well on my home WiFi in both Skype and Skype out (to non skype circuit switched and cell phones).
So well I got to thinking about using it for all calls if I can get decent hotspot access.
Hunting today has only turned up a mob called Trustice at http://www.trustive.com who claim to have NZ hotspot access "From €0.02 per minute "  I can't find any details on their site of how much NZ access is although from a quick scan of their site they do claim to have hotspots across NZ.

Has anyone used em?  Is there a better alternative hotspot provider?  I couldn't find any other but I have just begun looking. 
Otherwise I spose I'll just hafta shake the dust off the plastic and give trustive a burl.

see their name "trustive" - just doesn't sound trusty to me.  But I'm a paranoid old b*gger.

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  #390126 10-Oct-2010 12:21
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NZtechfreak: Class 6 refers to the write speed, I'm not sure how anybody thinks that will speed up operation in the phone. What use-case can you put forward that needs more than a Class 2 write speed? Even 720p video encoding doesn't need it. In terms of the read speed they're basically the same. The in-phone performance difference between Class 2 and 6 cards is negligible, only writing to the cards in a card reader would really show you the difference. People have really got carried away with the Class ratings without actually thinking about what they actually mean in terms of in-phone performance...


So you don't think a class 6 card will have better read bandwidth than a class 2? How about latency? As with anything [IT related] once you look under the hood things tend to be a lot more complicated than a simple number.

Of course the phone itself and the software it's running are also a factor. 

In conclusion, meh. When in doubt, go faster.

 

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  #390129 10-Oct-2010 12:25
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As for a phone though I don't think I'd bother with a fast card if not using a swap which you don't need to on modern Android phones. I still have ~90MB free from whatever the internal storage is on my Magic is anyway and I have tonnes of apps installed.


I think you are confusing RAM and what I shall call, for lack of a better word, hard disk space.

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  #390297 10-Oct-2010 23:07
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bronto:
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As for a phone though I don't think I'd bother with a fast card if not using a swap which you don't need to on modern Android phones. I still have ~90MB free from whatever the internal storage is on my Magic is anyway and I have tonnes of apps installed.


I think you are confusing RAM and what I shall call, for lack of a better word, hard disk space.


What I mean is my phone has some amount of internal storage for apps (288MB according to Linuxluver) of which I have 90MB still free.  This means I don't bother with installing apps to the SD card which makes its speed kinda moot (or at least would if I wasn't using a swap file stored on the SD card as well)

 
 
 

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  #390657 11-Oct-2010 21:23
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As for a phone though I don't think I'd bother with a fast card if not using a swap which you don't need to on modern Android phones. I still have ~90MB free from whatever the internal storage is on my Magic is anyway and I have tonnes of apps installed.


I think you are confusing RAM and what I shall call, for lack of a better word, hard disk space.


What I mean is my phone has some amount of internal storage for apps (288MB according to Linuxluver) of which I have 90MB still free.  This means I don't bother with installing apps to the SD card which makes its speed kinda moot (or at least would if I wasn't using a swap file stored on the SD card as well)


Ah right, sorry I misunderstood you. Yep is about that on a standard magic I believe (/data on filesystem).

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  #393511 19-Oct-2010 10:16
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After rooting I thought I would be able to move this to my SD card. I installed it on my HTC Desire and got the low-space warning and went to traansfer it to my SD but the Move to SD option was greyed out. :o(

No go for me in that case.

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  #395634 25-Oct-2010 22:26
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Hey Urekismet,

In case you're still interested, I've used Trustive in the past and found them to be reliable and trusty ;-) I used them last summer when I was on vacation (in China not NZ I'm afraid) and once I got the hang of where their hotspots were, it was no hassle at all. Re. your price query, I believe the prepaid passes give you X minutes credit and you can use these minutes in any country you like.

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