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Elpie

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#107550 14-Aug-2012 16:32
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Two SGS3's in the house. One works perfectly (despite having been dropped) the other has been babied like the most fragile precious glass. And has had problems since first getting it out of the box. 

Calls sound like they are underwater, whether the caller is called or phones me. I contacted Samsung about this within a few days of getting the phone. They blamed the network.

Phone keeps freezing and judders instead of smoothly transitioning on a swipe. Reset the phone, don't add in any new apps, and try it for a week they said. It still kept happening. 

Then the screen started getting a pale orange glow whenever the phone woke. 

Finally, it decided not to charge. 

In my other calls, Samsung variously referred me to the user manual, blamed the network (yeah, right, the phone has been on two networks in NZ and one in Australia - and they all have call issues? Don't think so!) and kept saying that if the problems persisted they would arrange for the phone to be replaced. 

Last week they told me the phone would need to be replaced and told me they would talk to the store (Norman Ross). I called Norman Ross to check on procedures for this to happen. I get to Norman Ross on the weekend & they knew nothing about it. 

Today, Samsung logged another call from me and this time gave me a transaction number. I now have to drop the phone off at Norman Ross to - wait for it - be sent in for repairs. Repairs will take around 14 business days, but may take longer if they have to order in parts. 

So, the crappy phone that hasn't worked properly from day one will now become a phone I can't use for the best part of a month and will come back as a repaired phone. I am so angry I could spit chips. 

Moral of the story - if anything seems wrong within those first two weeks don't stuff around trying to get Samsung to help you. Take it back and get the store to exchange it. I missed that window of opportunity by following Samsung's advice.

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  #672356 14-Aug-2012 16:43
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You've been delayed long enough for them to be able to claim you've water damaged it /tinfoilhat

All joking aside (and I know you're kicking yourself about this), was there a particular reason for ringing Samsung in the first place rather than just taking the phone back to the store you brought it from?



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  #672374 14-Aug-2012 16:59
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Go back to the retailer and ask them to assist with resolving the problem. They are not allowed to MAKE you deal with Samsung, although they can suggest this.

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  #672382 14-Aug-2012 17:09
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Deal with place of purchase only



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  #672388 14-Aug-2012 17:27
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I must say that my experience with their support hasn't been good either with a freezer. They subcontract out to local support agents, and it took them ages to get in a part under warranty.

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  #672391 14-Aug-2012 17:32
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Dratsab: You've been delayed long enough for them to be able to claim you've water damaged it /tinfoilhat

All joking aside (and I know you're kicking yourself about this), was there a particular reason for ringing Samsung in the first place rather than just taking the phone back to the store you brought it from?


Yeah, the store bounced me to Samsung, Samsung bounced me back to the store and I ping-ponged back and forth. 

The store structure makes it hard to get results too. Norman Ross, as I found out today, is essentially a container store, as in each store has departments which are owned, usually by the people who manage them. So, in the Palmerston North Norman Ross for example, the computer department (which includes phones) is owned by one guy and the rest is owned by another. Both report to head office but just try to find information about their head office! It's Harvey Norman. 

Samsung NZ failed in that they tried to blame the network operators for the initial problems. And didn't create a transaction number for my calls until they decided the phone was definitely faulty. 

I have a paper trail of references to calls and people I've spoken to and, hopefully, that may help me to get a result. 

This will be the last time I buy from Norman Ross and, if I hadn't really loved my SGS3 it would probably have been the last time I bought Samsung too. 

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  #672393 14-Aug-2012 17:33
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Also remember that when it comes back from repair you still don't have to accecpt it back, as the phone will then be a 2nd hand broken but repaired phone, you paid for a new phone didn't you?, the other option here is to accecpt it but tell the retailer that due to the repair the phone has lost value and you would like that value returned.

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  #672397 14-Aug-2012 17:44
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Elpie: [snip]
Yeah, the store bounced me to Samsung, Samsung bounced me back to the store and I ping-ponged back and forth. 
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Take the phone into Norman Ross and say "I have a problem with this phone I bought off you and I would like you to manage the warranty repair or replacement process as per the provisions of the Consumer Guarantees Act. I do not wish to deal directly with Samsung myself"

They won't have any choice but to take a fault description from you and then deal with.

I've had exactly this issue with a Samsung TV and Harvey Norman... (and also with an Onkyo Amp and JB Hifi)... The retailers tried to push me back and make me deal with the manufacturer. They are allowed to suggest this, they can even recommend it. However they CAN NOT require an end user deal with the manufacturer and they MUST manage the process if the buyer wants.

(All this excludes the standard 'it's water damaged' line many people get with cellphone repairs - but there's nothing specific I can add on that topic)

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  #672400 14-Aug-2012 17:50
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I'd be talking to my credit card company and asking them for a charge back.



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  #672404 14-Aug-2012 18:00
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If Samsung has told you that it needs to be replaced, then get them to honour that promise. Ask them to deal with the retailer if they need to, otherwise they should send you a courier pack and a new replacement. To tell you to go back to the store means at least two special trips, which costs you in time and petrol. Ask them whether that cost will be covered, as it is a consequential loss. The other thing to do if they don't play ball, is to go back to the retailer for a refund, as they have had the chance to put the matter right.

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  #673091 16-Aug-2012 00:33
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Update: There has been loads of talking and calls back and forth since I last posted. Long story short - I refused to be pushed around between the store and Samsung any more and insisted the store sort things out. I had a call back from the store this afternoon saying that Samsung were not being helpful but that the issue had been "escalated to someone with more klout".  A couple of hours later I got a call from the store manager, apologising, and arranging for me to go into the store tomorrow to exchange the phone for a new one.

So, my third special trip to the store should see this all resolved tomorrow. 

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  #673431 16-Aug-2012 18:35
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All is well that ends well. My phone has been replaced. Thanks to all who recommended that I put this all onto the retailer because, until I dug my heels in and refused to be ping-ponged back and forth with Samsung, I wasn't getting anywhere. 
If anyone reading this gets pushed onto Samsung by their retailer then I hope they will take the same lesson. Hopefully, I'll never have to deal directly with Samsung NZ ever again!

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  #673448 16-Aug-2012 19:16
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Excellent. It never ceases to amaze me that kiwis don't complain enough.

Should learn from the Germans.

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And never buy Samsung products.

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  #673453 16-Aug-2012 19:36
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I think what it's come down to is the poor service by the retailer, they should have never refered you to Samsung, that's why you paid retail, so the retailer sorts out the problem.

Samsung also should have been a bit more customer focused and been able to resolve the problem as well

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  #673661 17-Aug-2012 12:29
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khull: Excellent. It never ceases to amaze me that kiwis don't complain enough.

Should learn from the Germans.

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And never buy Samsung products.


Nothing at all wrong with Samsung products and if you get a good one then you never need to deal with either the retailer or Samsung Wink

I think Kiwis are generally too polite when it comes to dealing with retailers. It never ceases to amaze me that most Kiwis don't bargain for goods. I always do and always leave happy with the price I pay for things. It's rare for a retailer to refuse to discount if they are asked. 
But, like most Kiwis, if there is an issue with goods or services, I take the most polite approach which, as in this case, sometimes leads to getting the run around before finally taking a stand. 

The store did the right thing in the end and I am very happy with my new phone. Now that I have this one I realise just how bad the other one really was!

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