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Athlonite

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#858373 17-Jul-2013 22:34

lokhor: Solo mothers on the DPB get ~$500 a week with one infant

ROFL No they don't well atleast when I was a solo dad I never got that much maybe a fortnight but not a week

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#858393 18-Jul-2013 00:06

Athlonite:
lokhor: Solo mothers on the DPB get ~$500 a week with one infant

ROFL No they don't well atleast when I was a solo dad I never got that much maybe a fortnight but not a week

Keyword being dad. Was your case manager female?

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#858403 18-Jul-2013 07:01

PaulBags:
Athlonite:
lokhor: Solo mothers on the DPB get ~$500 a week with one infant

ROFL No they don't well atleast when I was a solo dad I never got that much maybe a fortnight but not a week

Keyword being dad. Was your case manager female?

The rates are defined and gender neutral

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#858404 18-Jul-2013 07:09

ronw: As they should. I wonder why so many people are upset about Beneficiaries. Its not as if it was a large amount of money. I would have thought people would be far more upset about wealthy people committing fraud or down right stealing. How about getting upset about Cabinet ministers ripping off NZ by misusing their credit card, or claiming for Housing assistance in their electorate whilst they lived full time in Wellington, or setting up their house, banks account etc into trusts so they can hide things away from IRD. I would bet there is far more lost through white collar crime than through welfare benefits. But no one cares about such crimes. maybe its easier beating up on the downtrodden than criticizing so called fat cats

If he/they meet the Statutory requirements of Section 89 of the SSA then they will and should be granted Income Support.

That is another thread, you may care to start it???

The title of this thread is New Benefit Changes, which is why we are discussing beneficiaries.

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#861624 18-Jul-2013 14:30

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#861734 18-Jul-2013 16:39

ajobbins:

Though I do agree that Tax evasion costs far more than Benefit fraud, I wonder about this graphic actually being anything meaningful.

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#861737 18-Jul-2013 16:41

lokhor: On a more serious note, $206 isn't really enough for anyone to survive. Solo mothers on the DPB get ~$500 a week with one infant

Ahh, lifestyle choice ...

"A woman who was penniless and desperate to be a mum found a sperm donor online to give her the child of her dreams. Now she's raising the child as a single mother on the DPB while the father, who visits three time a week, pays nothing towards his toddler's upkeep. "

Having-a-child-by-design

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#861746 18-Jul-2013 17:07

Here in Australia, you currently get $5000 cash (In fornightly payments for 6 months) from the government when you have a baby (The "Baby Bonus").

Sadly, this has meant many cases of people having a child simply for the payday, without considering or caring about the long term impacts.

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#861778 18-Jul-2013 17:58

lokhor: On a more serious note, $206 isn't really enough for anyone to survive. Solo mothers on the DPB get ~$500 a week with one infant

yeah not really - $295 is the base rate

http://www.workandincome.govt.nz/manuals-and-procedures/deskfile/main_benefits_rates/sole_parent_support_tables.htm

it's not hard to check things ....

fyi - i was raised by a solo mum - and she was an awesome budgeter - and still it was fricken tough financially

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#861889 18-Jul-2013 22:06

jeffnz:
gzt: There is a lot of hot air here, and little discussion of the actual changes. What are they anyway? I only know one, cutting a benefit/assistance for anyone with an arrest warrant, and they say 8000 people will be affected by that. My guess is a substantial number will not even know they are subject to a warrant until this occurs. Most of it will be traffic type stuff imho. 8000 in one day would be kind of crazy. If you add children that could be higher. Either way I'm not convinced of the wisdom really.

well if they don't know they soon will when the bene is cut, maybe a large majority are aware of the warrants as well, not all are as innocent as some would like to make out. So what if its traffice or minor offences unless they are innocent how is it an issue.

Well, I don't know the details, but it just seems like a moral knee jerk instead of a policy carefully designed to achieve a desirable outcome with the minimum harm and collateral damage to families and the community.

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#861904 18-Jul-2013 22:24

ajobbins: Here in Australia, you currently get $5000 cash (In fornightly payments for 6 months) from the government when you have a baby (The "Baby Bonus").

Sadly, this has meant many cases of people having a child simply for the payday, without considering or caring about the long term impacts.

It's being cut to $2000 for the first child and $1000 for subsequent kids from march next year. And there's no "DPB" here any more, it's been switched to "newstart", which is what the dole is.

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#861950 19-Jul-2013 06:53

gzt: There is a lot of hot air here, and little discussion of the actual changes. What are they anyway? I only know one, cutting a benefit/assistance for anyone with an arrest warrant, and they say 8000 people will be affected by that. My guess is a substantial number will not even know they are subject to a warrant until this occurs. Most of it will be traffic type stuff imho. 8000 in one day would be kind of crazy. If you add children that could be higher. Either way I'm not convinced of the wisdom really.

This is the best part, why pay the benefit to criminals who are not taking responsibility for their actions.

If you want the dole and have a warrant then present yourself to the police, if not then too bad.

the only ones causing grief to their families is the person with outstanding warrants.

Do they issue arrest warrants for parking tickets being overdue?

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#861951 19-Jul-2013 07:07

Do they issue arrest warrants for parking tickets being overdue?

yep - i ended up with one way back when as the ticket went to an old address (via mv registration) - so i never saw it, it escalated over time and hey presto - arrest warrant...

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#861965 19-Jul-2013 08:08

dickytim: This is the best part, why pay the benefit to criminals who are not taking responsibility for their actions.

Hmm, I wasn't aware that an arrest warrent proved guilt.

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#861985 19-Jul-2013 08:35

PaulBags:
dickytim: This is the best part, why pay the benefit to criminals who are not taking responsibility for their actions.

Hmm, I wasn't aware that an arrest warrant proved guilt.

it doesn't prove guilt just makes them go sort their smit out and if its sorted the bene starts again

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