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#1568772 9-Jun-2016 15:54

Not necessarily ....

Currently Sky shareholders are proposing to use Sky funds to buy Vodafone in a deal that leaves Vodafone with 51% of the merged company.

It may be more palatable to Sky shareholders to have their shares bought outright - cash in hand etc.

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MikeAqua:

Spark should put money where mouth is and make an 'NZ' bid for Sky.

It'd have to be a hostile bid - and a significant premium to the VOD/SKY transaction. Not even Spark is that stupid.

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#1568773 9-Jun-2016 15:55

cokeman2:

since it was a pay tv monopoly ,will they extend that to , must be a voda mobile and broadband customer to get sky tv/ sports ??

That would probably be a daft idea. Against it would loss of business - which would see the company losing all telephony business with many customer - and the powers available to the Commerce Commission.

They are a monopoly for certain pay TV products and channels but they don't have a monopoly on all pay TV. They are not the only purchaser (monopsony) of pay TV channels. Other suppliers purchase some of those channels and you can pay for TV through them. That's why you can get Rialto outside of Sky TV.

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#1568817 9-Jun-2016 16:41

And it's official

http://news.vodafone.co.nz/sky-and-vodafone-nz-merger-to-create-a-leading-integrated-telecommunications-and-media-group-in-new-zealand/

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#1568824 9-Jun-2016 16:50

cokeman2:
since it was a pay tv monopoly ,will they extend that to , must be a voda mobile and broadband customer to get sky tv/ sports ??

I'll take annual leave to keep up with that thread.

Can't see it but I would wager there will be differetiations. One will get cake icing and cream, the other will get cake. Or maybe the $50 deal will be standard for Voda users? The rest of us 63% will just get fan pass and grumble.

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#1568828 9-Jun-2016 17:11

cokeman2:

since it was a pay tv monopoly ,will they extend that to , must be a voda mobile and broadband customer to get sky tv/ sports ??

Do you have to be a Spark customer to get Lightbox?

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#1568838 9-Jun-2016 17:37

Prime News are calling it VodaSky for now

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#1568851 9-Jun-2016 17:57

DjShadow:

Prime News are calling it VodaSky for now

SkyFone has a better ring [/pun]

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#1568853 9-Jun-2016 18:00

Twitter are using #Skodafone :)

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#1568855 9-Jun-2016 18:04

MikeAqua:

Spark should put money where mouth is and make an 'NZ' bid for Sky.

freitasm:

Spark press release makes a point of pointing out the competitors are really "not New Zealand companies":

“More and more New Zealanders have been choosing Spark in the last few years, and their trust in us reinforces our commitment to New Zealand. Should this proposal clear the hurdles in its way, it would mean that Spark remains the only major industry player controlled from New Zealand, with 2 Degrees controlled out of the US, Vocus out of Australia and Sky TV/Vodafone NZ out of the UK.”

IMO they wouldn't ever be allowed to buy it, as it took years for the Commerce Commission to get 3 mobile companies in NZ. Going back to two, it will be impossible to prove that consumers will be better off.

But I really do wonder what benefit there is for Sky buying VF. Basically they become like Spark, an ISP with an addon service (pay TV). Why don't they buy a far cheaper ISP if they were going down that track. eg Like Orcon when that was for sale.

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#1568858 9-Jun-2016 18:12

mattwnz:
MikeAqua:

Spark should put money where mouth is and make an 'NZ' bid for Sky.

freitasm:

Spark press release makes a point of pointing out the competitors are really "not New Zealand companies":

“More and more New Zealanders have been choosing Spark in the last few years, and their trust in us reinforces our commitment to New Zealand. Should this proposal clear the hurdles in its way, it would mean that Spark remains the only major industry player controlled from New Zealand, with 2 Degrees controlled out of the US, Vocus out of Australia and Sky TV/Vodafone NZ out of the UK.”

IMO they wouldn't ever be allowed to buy it, as it took years for the Commerce Commission to get 3 mobile companies in NZ. Going back to two, it will be impossible to prove that consumers will be better off.

But I really do wonder what benefit there is for Sky buying VF. Basically they become like Spark, an ISP with an addon service (pay TV). Why don't they buy a far cheaper ISP if they were going down that track. eg Like Orcon when that was for sale.

Sky didn't buy Vodafone. VF bought Sky and its VF UK

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#1568870 9-Jun-2016 18:41

ockel:

Do you have to be a Spark customer to get Lightbox?

Is this a rhetorical question?

No, you don't have to be a Spark customer to get Lightbox.

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#1568871 9-Jun-2016 18:41

tdgeek:
mattwnz:

MikeAqua:

Spark should put money where mouth is and make an 'NZ' bid for Sky.

freitasm:

Spark press release makes a point of pointing out the competitors are really "not New Zealand companies":

“More and more New Zealanders have been choosing Spark in the last few years, and their trust in us reinforces our commitment to New Zealand. Should this proposal clear the hurdles in its way, it would mean that Spark remains the only major industry player controlled from New Zealand, with 2 Degrees controlled out of the US, Vocus out of Australia and Sky TV/Vodafone NZ out of the UK.”

IMO they wouldn't ever be allowed to buy it, as it took years for the Commerce Commission to get 3 mobile companies in NZ. Going back to two, it will be impossible to prove that consumers will be better off.

But I really do wonder what benefit there is for Sky buying VF. Basically they become like Spark, an ISP with an addon service (pay TV). Why don't they buy a far cheaper ISP if they were going down that track. eg Like Orcon when that was for sale.

Sky didn't buy Vodafone. VF bought Sky and its VF UK

Wonder how many years they will keep it for before flicking it off??

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#1568875 9-Jun-2016 18:43

I guess if one thinks of the new entity being a media company, then the convergence makes sense. I think it basically increases the subscriber base and may slightly raise vodafones ARPU at a guess, although I think that they will still need to consider that peoples average monthly spend is divided among more entities now.

A single bill would be good, although I still receive two from VF each month for internet and phone, so it wouldnt be surprising if I ended up receiving three.

I notice that sky uk already offers this type of convergence (my sky, broadband and phone) and I suspect they will probably (if not already) offer 4k. Hopefully the new entity will continue to use the mysky decoder technology and keep it inline with the uk.

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#1568884 9-Jun-2016 18:59

TwoSeven: I guess if one thinks of the new entity being a media company, then the convergence makes sense. I think it basically increases the subscriber base and may slightly raise vodafones ARPU at a guess, although I think that they will still need to consider that peoples average monthly spend is divided among more entities now.

A single bill would be good, although I still receive two from VF each month for internet and phone, so it wouldnt be surprising if I ended up receiving three.

I notice that sky uk already offers this type of convergence (my sky, broadband and phone) and I suspect they will probably (if not already) offer 4k. Hopefully the new entity will continue to use the mysky decoder technology and keep it inline with the uk.

If Voda had a national network I would get it, but they don't . Sky makes good money Voda loses money. B
But I don't see the convergence.

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#1568885 9-Jun-2016 19:03

old3eyes:
tdgeek:
mattwnz:

MikeAqua:

Spark should put money where mouth is and make an 'NZ' bid for Sky.

freitasm:

Spark press release makes a point of pointing out the competitors are really "not New Zealand companies":

“More and more New Zealanders have been choosing Spark in the last few years, and their trust in us reinforces our commitment to New Zealand. Should this proposal clear the hurdles in its way, it would mean that Spark remains the only major industry player controlled from New Zealand, with 2 Degrees controlled out of the US, Vocus out of Australia and Sky TV/Vodafone NZ out of the UK.”

IMO they wouldn't ever be allowed to buy it, as it took years for the Commerce Commission to get 3 mobile companies in NZ. Going back to two, it will be impossible to prove that consumers will be better off.

But I really do wonder what benefit there is for Sky buying VF. Basically they become like Spark, an ISP with an addon service (pay TV). Why don't they buy a far cheaper ISP if they were going down that track. eg Like Orcon when that was for sale.

Sky didn't buy Vodafone. VF bought Sky and its VF UK

Wonder how many years they will keep it for before flicking it off??

I dunno. Sky makes an income, Voda doesn't.. I think sky can be the stability. But how will Voda leverage Sky at the detriment of non Voda users?. It could be F it I'll just use Fanpass and bypass both of them

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