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#124677 15-Jul-2013 23:23

Hi There!

Apparently this poor woman is too sick to work, but is apparently ok to go and stand on the street in the cold in the middle of winter to have sex for money?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10898462

"They're trying to force us into jobs that we can't even do. I'm going to counselling with ACC - I can't even face people properly; I get too frightened and I hide - and yet they're still trying to push me out into jobs. And that's horrible, that's hard.

Can't face people, but apparently sex with strangers is within her power.

It's just odd.

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#856185 15-Jul-2013 23:47

I think it comes down to attitudes, particularly those who don't want to work. I don't understand it myself as my parents have been on unemployment benefit before and being in such a position is nothing to look forward to, you can hardly live on it.

Perhaps some people see minimum wage jobs as beneath them and therefore its easier to do nothing,? or in this case selling themselves for money may be seen as easier or used for shock factor.

Don't get me wrong, having welfare is great and probably stops crime out of desperation, I just don't understand why some can't want more in life when they do physically have the ability to work.

And don't even get me started about those who live in dead beat towns where they will never get work..

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#856186 16-Jul-2013 00:19

networkn: Can't face people, but apparently sex with strangers is within her power.

Maybe she's not facing them when having sex?

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#856199 16-Jul-2013 04:19

makes a great sensationalist headline

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#856216 16-Jul-2013 07:19

Wow, when did living on the benefit full time and not being willing to work become a right?

If I had my way they would get their food brought for them, their electricity and landline with local calls paid for and no cash at all.

There is a need for welfare, and genuine people who can't work for physical reasons but it should not be a lifestyle.

The comment in the article that sticks in my head is "that's hard." Life is hard, I hate my job, it is very stressful and difficult!

The comments about New Zealanders having to jump thru hoops to get the benefit, damn this is how it should be! It should not be an easy answer.

Before anyone asks, yes I have been on the benefit, in Australia and it was due to my own laziness.

I have also been a very low paying jobs doing cleaning and working fast food for minimum wage in order to get myself a leg up.

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#856218 16-Jul-2013 07:28

networkn: Hi There!

Apparently this poor woman is too sick to work, but is apparently ok to go and stand on the street in the cold in the middle of winter to have sex for money?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10898462

"They're trying to force us into jobs that we can't even do. I'm going to counselling with ACC - I can't even face people properly; I get too frightened and I hide - and yet they're still trying to push me out into jobs. And that's horrible, that's hard.

Can't face people, but apparently sex with strangers is within her power.

It's just odd.

She is not doing what you say she is.

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#856219 16-Jul-2013 07:29

networkn: Hi There!

Apparently this poor woman is too sick to work, but is apparently ok to go and stand on the street in the cold in the middle of winter to have sex for money?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10898462

"They're trying to force us into jobs that we can't even do. I'm going to counselling with ACC - I can't even face people properly; I get too frightened and I hide - and yet they're still trying to push me out into jobs. And that's horrible, that's hard.

Can't face people, but apparently sex with strangers is within her power.

It's just odd.

Its called sarcasm.

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#856222 16-Jul-2013 07:36

I think she should be applauded, at least she'll be off the benefit (well mostly) and working for her money.

Tongue firmly implanted in the cheek of course

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#856223 16-Jul-2013 07:42

networkn: Can't face people, but apparently sex with strangers is within her power. It's just odd.

I assumed from your post that is what she was already doing. Then I read the article: "I don't want to go there but if it has to come to that and I don't get a benefit I have to resort to prostitution."

It appears she believes that prostitution is the only option available to her to earn a living if her benefit is cut. I think that is a very sad point of view, but I do not find it particularly odd. In any case, clearly she is not doing that at present.

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#856224 16-Jul-2013 07:44

dickytim: Wow, when did living on the benefit full time and not being willing to work become a right?

If I had my way they would get their food brought for them, their electricity and landline with local calls paid for and no cash at all.

There is a need for welfare, and genuine people who can't work for physical reasons but it should not be a lifestyle.

The comment in the article that sticks in my head is "that's hard." Life is hard, I hate my job, it is very stressful and difficult!

The comments about New Zealanders having to jump thru hoops to get the benefit, damn this is how it should be! It should not be an easy answer.

Before anyone asks, yes I have been on the benefit, in Australia and it was due to my own laziness.

I have also been a very low paying jobs doing cleaning and working fast food for minimum wage in order to get myself a leg up.

Tell me, are you any good at Chemistry, physics, perhaps golf, play the piano, can you fly a plane ?

Why is it that we have compassion for the blind, the deaf, the paralysed, is it because we can pretend to know what its like by closing our eyes etc ?
Why is it that we have no compassion for those who are unable to manage their lives ?
EVERY skill has a grade.
Heck I work with people with PhDs, and see how incompetent they are with computers and technology, yet they are doing math etc,etc that I can not even begin to understand, some speak 3 or more languages.

Its easy to brush off the things you fail at as being "just a game" or "unimportant", yet at life compared to Donald Trump, Bob Jones, and millions of others world wide, you are not up there, you may well be even a bit below average, but to have an average someone MUST be below you, and these people have mental or other emotional illnesses that prevent them from managing their lives properly.

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#856226 16-Jul-2013 07:53

so you actually think she is legit, if you were struggling would you plaster it all over the papers? I think not, lets remember that the left are very good at finding people to do these political stunts.

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#856227 16-Jul-2013 07:53

sir1963:
dickytim: Wow, when did living on the benefit full time and not being willing to work become a right?

If I had my way they would get their food brought for them, their electricity and landline with local calls paid for and no cash at all.

There is a need for welfare, and genuine people who can't work for physical reasons but it should not be a lifestyle.

The comment in the article that sticks in my head is "that's hard." Life is hard, I hate my job, it is very stressful and difficult!

The comments about New Zealanders having to jump thru hoops to get the benefit, damn this is how it should be! It should not be an easy answer.

Before anyone asks, yes I have been on the benefit, in Australia and it was due to my own laziness.

I have also been a very low paying jobs doing cleaning and working fast food for minimum wage in order to get myself a leg up.

Tell me, are you any good at Chemistry, physics, perhaps golf, play the piano, can you fly a plane ?

Why is it that we have compassion for the blind, the deaf, the paralysed, is it because we can pretend to know what its like by closing our eyes etc ?
Why is it that we have no compassion for those who are unable to manage their lives ?
EVERY skill has a grade.
Heck I work with people with PhDs, and see how incompetent they are with computers and technology, yet they are doing math etc,etc that I can not even begin to understand, some speak 3 or more languages.

Its easy to brush off the things you fail at as being "just a game" or "unimportant", yet at life compared to Donald Trump, Bob Jones, and millions of others world wide, you are not up there, you may well be even a bit below average, but to have an average someone MUST be below you, and these people have mental or other emotional illnesses that prevent them from managing their lives properly.

your comment are irrelevant to this thread and my comments.

The comments above are referring to those that don't want to work, the lady in the article stated that she couldn't face people, then said she would do a highly interactive job instead, she contradicted herself.

As to my mediocrity, I am the only one that pays for that, not the tax payer, there is a huge difference there, would you not agree?

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#856228 16-Jul-2013 07:59

jeffnz: so you actually think she is legit, if you were struggling would you plaster it all over the papers? I think not, lets remember that the left are very good at finding people to do these political stunts.

As are the right and centre good at finding people.
It could be that she is scared enough to denigrate herself.

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#856229 16-Jul-2013 08:03

sir1963:
dickytim: Wow, when did living on the benefit full time and not being willing to work become a right?

If I had my way they would get their food brought for them, their electricity and landline with local calls paid for and no cash at all.

There is a need for welfare, and genuine people who can't work for physical reasons but it should not be a lifestyle.

The comment in the article that sticks in my head is "that's hard." Life is hard, I hate my job, it is very stressful and difficult!

The comments about New Zealanders having to jump thru hoops to get the benefit, damn this is how it should be! It should not be an easy answer.

Before anyone asks, yes I have been on the benefit, in Australia and it was due to my own laziness.

I have also been a very low paying jobs doing cleaning and working fast food for minimum wage in order to get myself a leg up.

Tell me, are you any good at Chemistry, physics, perhaps golf, play the piano, can you fly a plane ?

Why is it that we have compassion for the blind, the deaf, the paralysed, is it because we can pretend to know what its like by closing our eyes etc ?
Why is it that we have no compassion for those who are unable to manage their lives ?
EVERY skill has a grade.
Heck I work with people with PhDs, and see how incompetent they are with computers and technology, yet they are doing math etc,etc that I can not even begin to understand, some speak 3 or more languages.

Its easy to brush off the things you fail at as being "just a game" or "unimportant", yet at life compared to Donald Trump, Bob Jones, and millions of others world wide, you are not up there, you may well be even a bit below average, but to have an average someone MUST be below you, and these people have mental or other emotional illnesses that prevent them from managing their lives properly.

There is a culture of taking delight in kicking people who are down in New Zealand, it is often clearly present on GZ. I guess it must make folks feel better about themselves.

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#856238 16-Jul-2013 08:29

dickytim:
sir1963:
dickytim: Wow, when did living on the benefit full time and not being willing to work become a right?

If I had my way they would get their food brought for them, their electricity and landline with local calls paid for and no cash at all.

There is a need for welfare, and genuine people who can't work for physical reasons but it should not be a lifestyle.

The comment in the article that sticks in my head is "that's hard." Life is hard, I hate my job, it is very stressful and difficult!

The comments about New Zealanders having to jump thru hoops to get the benefit, damn this is how it should be! It should not be an easy answer.

Before anyone asks, yes I have been on the benefit, in Australia and it was due to my own laziness.

I have also been a very low paying jobs doing cleaning and working fast food for minimum wage in order to get myself a leg up.

Tell me, are you any good at Chemistry, physics, perhaps golf, play the piano, can you fly a plane ?

Why is it that we have compassion for the blind, the deaf, the paralysed, is it because we can pretend to know what its like by closing our eyes etc ?
Why is it that we have no compassion for those who are unable to manage their lives ?
EVERY skill has a grade.
Heck I work with people with PhDs, and see how incompetent they are with computers and technology, yet they are doing math etc,etc that I can not even begin to understand, some speak 3 or more languages.

Its easy to brush off the things you fail at as being "just a game" or "unimportant", yet at life compared to Donald Trump, Bob Jones, and millions of others world wide, you are not up there, you may well be even a bit below average, but to have an average someone MUST be below you, and these people have mental or other emotional illnesses that prevent them from managing their lives properly.

your comment are irrelevant to this thread and my comments.

The comments above are referring to those that don't want to work, the lady in the article stated that she couldn't face people, then said she would do a highly interactive job instead, she contradicted herself.

As to my mediocrity, I am the only one that pays for that, not the tax payer, there is a huge difference there, would you not agree?

Her comments were sarcasm. thrown out in frustration and anger, and guess what, EVERYONE does that!
Your mediocrity and your perspective of it shows you have zero understanding of those with more difficulties than you do.

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#856242 16-Jul-2013 08:35

sir1963:
dickytim:
sir1963:
dickytim: Wow, when did living on the benefit full time and not being willing to work become a right?

If I had my way they would get their food brought for them, their electricity and landline with local calls paid for and no cash at all.

There is a need for welfare, and genuine people who can't work for physical reasons but it should not be a lifestyle.

The comment in the article that sticks in my head is "that's hard." Life is hard, I hate my job, it is very stressful and difficult!

The comments about New Zealanders having to jump thru hoops to get the benefit, damn this is how it should be! It should not be an easy answer.

Before anyone asks, yes I have been on the benefit, in Australia and it was due to my own laziness.

I have also been a very low paying jobs doing cleaning and working fast food for minimum wage in order to get myself a leg up.

Tell me, are you any good at Chemistry, physics, perhaps golf, play the piano, can you fly a plane ?

Why is it that we have compassion for the blind, the deaf, the paralysed, is it because we can pretend to know what its like by closing our eyes etc ?
Why is it that we have no compassion for those who are unable to manage their lives ?
EVERY skill has a grade.
Heck I work with people with PhDs, and see how incompetent they are with computers and technology, yet they are doing math etc,etc that I can not even begin to understand, some speak 3 or more languages.

Its easy to brush off the things you fail at as being "just a game" or "unimportant", yet at life compared to Donald Trump, Bob Jones, and millions of others world wide, you are not up there, you may well be even a bit below average, but to have an average someone MUST be below you, and these people have mental or other emotional illnesses that prevent them from managing their lives properly.

your comment are irrelevant to this thread and my comments.

The comments above are referring to those that don't want to work, the lady in the article stated that she couldn't face people, then said she would do a highly interactive job instead, she contradicted herself.

As to my mediocrity, I am the only one that pays for that, not the tax payer, there is a huge difference there, would you not agree?

Her comments were sarcasm. thrown out in frustration and anger, and guess what, EVERYONE does that!
Your mediocrity and your perspective of it shows you have zero understanding of those with more difficulties than you do.

Her comments were designed to shock, and were a desperate reaction to wanting to remain on the benefit as it is, in her words "too hard" to do anything else, why are you not disgusted by this? Why are you not pissed off that you pay higher taxes to fund people like this?

I have lived thru difficult time, and never had anything growing up, I have zero understanding or tolerance for people who don't do anything to better themselves? Would these people be willing to clean other peoples sh!t? I have and did as it meant I could stay off the benefit.

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