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#173319 19-May-2015 14:47

I am wondering about the ccontroversy of the latest episode, with people up in arms about the "rape" of Sansa Stark, saying they will no longer cover it in the press or such. Whilst I am in no way condoning sexual violence and find it abhorrent, I am wondering why people are upset by this episode?

The reasoning behind the question:

1) She got married by choice (Though admittedly she wasn't overly excited by the idea and seems to have done so for her country).
2) The guy made it very clear he expected sex out of the marriage. The hand maiden also made it pretty clear.
3) She at no point refused or said "no no no!", which I understand isn't the only way to refuse sex. He told her to undress which she started to do very slowly and with hesitance.
4) Her screams seem as likely due to pain/discomfort/surprise, which if he was rough and she was a virgin is pretty "normal"
5) Rough sex wouldn't be a particularly surprising element in this time and age. I believe his nature was clear before the marriage.
6) Seems if you are ok watching all the other bloody violence and sexual content of this series and have watched 5 seasons, you should really know what you are in for at this stage.

AGAIN I want to be clear I don't condone non consensual sex.

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#1307804 19-May-2015 14:50

I am assuming GOT = Game of Thrones? yes? I ask as I have never watched it.

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#1307806 19-May-2015 14:55

I think it is over the top for a general entertainment show. And, this is not even in the book so if you have to add something why another rape?

Won't stop me watching the show though.

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#1307807 19-May-2015 14:55

In the the context of the Game of thrones universe, it was not rape. As it was her husbands right.

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#1307810 19-May-2015 14:57

cruxis: In the the context of the Game of thrones universe, it was not rape. As it was her husbands right.

Also a good point.

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#1307811 19-May-2015 14:58

surfisup1000: I think it is over the top for a general entertainment show. And, this is not even in the book so if you have to add something why another rape?

Won't stop me watching the show though.

My argument is that it wasn't rape.

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#1307820 19-May-2015 15:16

I saw the online furore prior to watching the episode, and found it tame as when I watched it.

This is a program where the first episode had a naked Daenerys being felt up by her brother before being married off to a warlord who wasn't exactly gentle on the wedding night (and she's 13 in the book, bumped to 16 for the TV series because of US sensibilites)
It has enough violence and nudity to sink a battleship, incest, you name it, and people are upset about this? I'm sorry Westeros is NOT a nice place, this is a dark fantasy, and given the proclivities of Ramsay Bolton (and what he does to his wife in the book, let alone anyone else) I think if anything they underplayed the scene, it should have been more brutal and explicit.

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#1307821 19-May-2015 15:22

Lias: I saw the online furore prior to watching the episode, and found it tame as when I watched it.

This is a program where the first episode had a naked Daenerys being felt up by her brother before being married off to a warlord who wasn't exactly gentle on the wedding night (and she's 13 in the book, bumped to 16 for the TV series because of US sensibilites)
It has enough violence and nudity to sink a battleship, incest, you name it, and people are upset about this? I'm sorry Westeros is NOT a nice place, this is a dark fantasy, and given the proclivities of Ramsay Bolton (and what he does to his wife in the book, let alone anyone else) I think if anything they underplayed the scene, it should have been more brutal and explicit.

Not sure I agree with the should have been but it easily COULD have been.

I found the fact Greyjoy was made to watch and how much it affected him had more impact on it. It seems likely to me, that he will get revenge and it's gonna be terrible. Don't spoil it for me.

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#1307823 19-May-2015 15:24

networkn:
It seems likely to me, that he will get revenge and it's gonna be terrible. Don't spoil it for me.

That scene wasn't in the books at all (from what ive been told), apparently this season has gone on some weird tangent as far as the source material is concerned.

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#1307824 19-May-2015 15:26

garvani:
networkn:
It seems likely to me, that he will get revenge and it's gonna be terrible. Don't spoil it for me.

That scene wasn't in the books at all (from what ive been told), apparently this season has gone on some weird tangent as far as the source material is concerned.

Never read the books somewhat unlikely to ever read them, happy to follow the TV series, and am not concerned if it varies from the book so long as it's good to watch.

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#1307842 19-May-2015 15:45

garvani: That scene wasn't in the books at all (from what ive been told), apparently this season has gone on some weird tangent as far as the source material is concerned.

Weird tangent may be that producers and author have an ending that they are prepared to reach separately. At the rate Martin is writing he may come 2nd.

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#1307844 19-May-2015 15:49

surfisup1000: I think it is over the top for a general entertainment show. And, this is not even in the book so if you have to add something why another rape?

Won't stop me watching the show though.

When has general entertainment been rated 18VLSC?

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#1307848 19-May-2015 15:58

I've yet to watch the episode, but I've got the feeling the media (the herald especially) is just frothing at the mouth for a sensationalist title to get likes on their Facebook page. Of course, you are also going to find people tripping over each other to be offended in the comments.

I remember earlier in the series there was mass rape, killing and of course who could forget the slavery. But as soon as the pretty white girl that everyone has an emotional attachment to is wronged in some way, everyone loses their marbles and calls it "wrong" and "too far". Even going as far to say that the directors are just profiting from the abuse of women.

But I guess that's what you get when most prime-time television programming today is "Fix My House for Me", "I Can Cook Better Than You Can", I Can Sing Better Than You Can" and "Invest in my Really Bad Idea".

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#1307851 19-May-2015 16:04

DravidDavid: I've yet to watch the episode, but I've got the feeling the media (the herald especially) is just frothing at the mouth for a sensationalist title to get likes on their Facebook page. Of course, you are also going to find people tripping over each other to be offended in the comments.

I remember earlier in the series there was mass rape, killing and of course who could forget the slavery. But as soon as the pretty white girl that everyone has an emotional attachment to is wronged in some way, everyone loses their marbles and calls it "wrong" and "too far". Even going as far to say that the directors are just profiting from the abuse of women.

But I guess that's what you get when most prime-time television programming today is "Fix My House for Me", "I Can Cook Better Than You Can", I Can Sing Better Than You Can" and "Invest in my Really Bad Idea".

The entire twitterverse is alight with it, a lot of "badly" offended people, also some tv related sites saying they will no longer do episode guides and the like. Other forums people are seriously unhappy about it.

Seems to me a lot of people with too much time on their hands.

I found Outlander in some ways more shocking esp a particular scene involving a belt and a bare ass. Shocked, but not offended, and once I put it in context, actually impressed they had the guts to show it.

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#1307862 19-May-2015 16:12

I have no idea how people who are upset by this scene managed to watch this far through the series. It's far from the worst scene, imo.

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#1307864 19-May-2015 16:16

While I'm prepared to accept that such a rape scene may be appropriate in the context of the story, I have real trouble accepting that in every scene where there's a boat sailing, it's clipping along at very impressive speed through the water, despite the water being so oily and flat - so clearly dead calm and windless, they'd need to get their paddles out to move at all. That is very amateur IMO - like some budget B grade '60s adventure movie. Perhaps that's what were actually seeing here - a pretty crappy story, pretty poorly produced, but full of the stuff we apparently want to see.

More seriously, there is plenty of violence, dismemberment, pumping arterial blood, cruelty, and other assorted nastiness in the show. Plenty of sex and nakedness too. Combining the two isn't a smart idea - ever. If they didn't know this when producing that episode, then shame on them. I suspect that they would have known, but included it anyway to grab attention - so shame on them anyway. End of story as far as I'm concerned.

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