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ulltraboost

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#199064 3-Aug-2016 12:58

Hi,

I applied for UFB 1st week of june 2016. Im renting the house shared driveway but the house in front of me is same owner of my renting house. so i asked my landlord about signing the consent.

But the problem is my landlord wont sign the consent. He is asking me to ask chorus to provide the design plan.

Correct me if im wrong the first step is gain consent from the shared driveway. After getting the consent chorus can now access the property for design plan? My Question is is that possible to ask chorus to provide the design plan with out the shared driveway consent?

Thanks

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#1603519 3-Aug-2016 13:11

Design plan typically won't be done until consent has been gained - this allows them to start the design process.

allio

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#1603525 3-Aug-2016 13:14

Tell your landlord that the initial consent IS the consent to start the design process. Once a solution has been proposed, he still has the right to review it and reject it.

Chorus isn't going to waste their time designing an installation when they haven't got even basic authority from the property owner.

ulltraboost

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#1603526 3-Aug-2016 13:15

sbiddle:

Design plan typically won't be done until consent has been gained - this allows them to start the design process.

I already told that to my landlord. No consent no design process.

I dont know what to do now. :(

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#1603531 3-Aug-2016 13:18

Stick with VDSL? Move? Tell your landlord they're being a dick? Tell your landlord that people on the internet think they're a dick?

ulltraboost

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#1603535 3-Aug-2016 13:20

deadlyllama:

Stick with VDSL? Move? Tell your landlord they're being a dick? Tell your landlord that people on the internet think they're a dick?

VDSL is very bad in my area. just getting 11mbps in vdsl line. too far from the cabinet. So UFB is the only option.

ulltraboost

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#1603537 3-Aug-2016 13:21

My landlord is asking full written scope of what chorus are doing in the property. its that the design plan right?

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#1603542 3-Aug-2016 13:27

ulltraboost:

My landlord is asking full written scope of what chorus are doing in the property. its that the design plan right?

Yes

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#1603560 3-Aug-2016 13:47

ulltraboost:

I already told that to my landlord. No consent no design process.

I dont know what to do now. :(

Well with the property market as it is he would probably welcome you moving out so that he could up the rent for the new people to move in, so threatning to leave isnt the stick that it once was.

Richard rich.ms

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#1603623 3-Aug-2016 14:47

Remind your landlord its a free install today - he will probably have to pay for it early next year.

That might change his mind

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#1603631 3-Aug-2016 15:08

allio:

Tell your landlord that the initial consent IS the consent to start the design process. Once a solution has been proposed, he still has the right to review it and reject it.

Chorus isn't going to waste their time designing an installation when they haven't got even basic authority from the property owner.

Does he though?

https://www.chorus.co.nz/broadband-options-for-home-fibre-consent-access/shared-driveway

Through the consent process you and your neighbours are agreeing to:

Chorus accessing the property so we can determine what work needs to be completed to build and install fibre
Installation of Chorus’ new fibre network infrastructure
Ongoing access to the property for the purposes of connecting other properties, maintenance, replacement or to upgrade

Nothing there about reviewing and the right to reject the plan.

Eoghan

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#1603660 3-Aug-2016 15:37

Advise your landlord to be part of the installation order - that way he can be officially part of the scope process which occurs after consent is given.

At this stage he can still say no if he is being pedantic about the roses or whatever

Eoghan

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#1603679 3-Aug-2016 16:03

Generally landlords are looking after number 1, so they don't want to do anything that could affect their house value. But if they know that it may cost them in the future, if they don't do anything, then they may change their mind. Problem is some people just don't understand technology, and many landlords are from the older generation, as due to low bank returns, they have move their money into rentals where the returns are better. I wonder what a fibre install will cost once it stops being free.

MikeAqua

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#1603682 3-Aug-2016 16:05

What use is consent if it is not informed?

If Chorus wanted to install UFB across our section, we would be reticent to give them permission until we knew enough about how they planned to do it to assess any potentially adverse effects or risk of liability.

Trenching the cable in beside the fence would be no problem.

We wouldn't agree to have fibre fixed to our fence, because it breaches the covenants for our section and looks bad.

Mike

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#1603691 3-Aug-2016 16:13

MikeAqua:

What use is consent if it is not informed?

If Chorus wanted to install UFB across our section, we would be reticent to give them permission until we knew enough about how they planned to do it to assess any potentially adverse effects or risk of liability.

Trenching the cable in beside the fence would be no problem.

We wouldn't agree to have fibre fixed to our fence, because it breaches the covenants for our section and looks bad.

That is interesting about covenants. I guess you would have to pay extra to have it done another way, as you had agreed to the covenants when you purchased it. It is one of the downsides of buying a property with covenants on it I have found, as it often ends up costing the homeowner more to comply with them. I don't think it would be reasonable for chorus to cover the extra costs of your covenants, as their install methods would comply with a house that didn't have covenants, and would be standard acceptable practice. It is simialr to having power installed, some covenants require it to be installed underground, yet the cheapest way maybe to just have it overhead from the power pole. SO the homeowner pays more to get it put underground.

MikeAqua

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#1603709 3-Aug-2016 16:39

mattwnz:

MikeAqua:

If Chorus wanted to install UFB across our section,

.....

We wouldn't agree to have fibre fixed to our fence, because it breaches the covenants for our section and looks bad.

That is interesting about covenants. I guess you would have to pay extra to have it done another way, as you had agreed to the covenants when you purchased it. It is one of the downsides of buying a property with covenants on it I have found, as it often ends up costing the homeowner more to comply with them. I don't think it would be reasonable for chorus to cover the extra costs of your covenants, as their install methods would comply with a house that didn't have covenants, and would be standard acceptable practice. It is simialr to having power installed, some covenants require it to be installed underground, yet the cheapest way maybe to just have it overhead from the power pole. SO the homeowner pays more to get it put underground.

In a situation where Chorus need consent to take UFB across our section to service a neighbour's house, any extra cost of undertaking work in a way that is acceptable to us (for whatever reason) would be Chorus's problem. Otherwise they simply wouldn't get consent.

Covenants are the norm in new subdivisions now and are publicly available information. Arguably Chorus should be aware of the type and frequency of covenants in each areas they tender for UFB roll out in and cost in contingencies accordingly.

Mike

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