SE610 and New Zealand Vodafone GPRS data rates.

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#2652 1-Nov-2004 04:16

I've got a SE610 and use it to connect my laptop to the web via Bluetooth.

I'm trying to ring the most out of my GPRS connection.

I tested the throughput and get a connection speed of between 17 - 25Kbps

Is this about all I can get out of the current VF GPRS service?

With compression and all I can weasel out a data download rate of around 3.5KB

Bluetooth on the laptop indicates that the connection speed via dialup to the mobile is 115Kbps.

Bluetooth transfer rates are also worrying me. Back to back Bluetooth on two PC's only gives a 9.6KB transfer rate. The connection speed indicates 700Kbps

Does this seem about right to everyone else?

Thanks for any replies,

Tom

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#9730 1-Nov-2004 09:17

The S/E T610 is not a class 10 handset by any means, You would be better off with a different handset, or a connect card, and the 700k is the speed of the bluetooth connection.

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#9731 1-Nov-2004 09:32

The real point here is that when mobile operators announced GPRS a few yearsa ago they touted it as a "fast connection". Fast because, in comparison with CSD it was at least five times faster.

By today standards, "fast connection" at least means something like EDGE (on GSM/GPRS), WCDMA (like Woosh) or CDMA 1xRTT.

I'm sorry to say, but other day I decided to "race" a friend and download a .pdf file to our Pocket PC Phone Edition. Have to say that his Pocket PC on CDMA finished when mine on GPRS was still on 30%.

Anyway, back to the original problem. The Bluetooth connection at 115kbps on the laptop only indicates the connection to the data terminal (the SE 610). The driver is not reporting back the atual data connection speed from the terminal to the network. For this you'd need specific drivers. I wouldn't go there and install these - nothing will change in terms of actual speed.

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#9749 1-Nov-2004 15:07

Thank you for your information.

At least it works which is the main thing. Just not quickly.

I think working with fibre DWDM (Dense Wave Division Multiplexing) has corupted my little mind.
2.5Gbps is another world people only dream of yet.

How if I could....

Tom

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#9754 1-Nov-2004 17:33

what on earth uses those sorts of speeds?

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#9760 1-Nov-2004 18:23

DWDM can be used to connect data centres or network backbones. It's used to support SANs (Storage Area Network).
Nortel is a major supplier of high end DWDM equipment.
It uses the different light waves within a fibre strand and depending on the drivers can get up to 100Km . Cisco has colour GiBics which are good for about 10Km. Probably got full DWDM by now.
BUT don't look into it. No, really I mean don't look into it, as they're class 1 lasers.
The noddys I've seen in data centres pearing down the end of fibres...

Tom

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#9880 3-Nov-2004 22:53

Just need that speed over mobile now.

(mark my words - check back here five or ten years and quote me on it)

Someone nicked a heap of fibre cable around here recently and then buried it to hide it...

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#9921 5-Nov-2004 10:28

"what on earth uses those sorts of speeds?"

These sort of links are used as the backbone for an IP data network (as just one example), over which you then run all your customers IP data, plus voice and other services.

They're not the kind of thing you can get delivered into your home though :)

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#9922 5-Nov-2004 10:39

"They're not the kind of thing you can get delivered into your home though :)"

figured :P

"I think working with fibre DWDM (Dense Wave Division Multiplexing) has corupted my little mind.
2.5Gbps is another world people only dream of yet."

I assume the work your doing is in developing it for use by busineses in networks and eventually home in say I dunno 10 years?? - can't wait :P

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#9932 5-Nov-2004 12:56

I was reading details of one of the US HSPDA trials the other day, 10mbps was easily acchieved even with the network under load and with serious and with a very weak signal they were still getting around 2mbps. Might not be quite that fast but still damn good.

Roll on 2005 and Vodafone's HSDPA network! :)

Here's hoping both Vodafone and Telecom might start offering some decent rate plans for data and actually drive sales of the product rather than trying to sell to a niche market.

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#9933 5-Nov-2004 13:04

Vodafoen announced during a 3G demo that New Zealand will have the first HSPDA live trial in the world, sometime next year. Interesting stuff. What I really want to see is flat rate in New Zealand, like Vodafone is doing in Australia now.

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#9934 5-Nov-2004 13:08

Yeah, the flat rate is a contentious issue for some people in Australia. No doubt it will happen here, the question is just when.

You can also get flat rate data in the USA AFAIK, so flat data and voice would see a huge surge in the use of these services by virtually every corner of NZ business.

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#9935 5-Nov-2004 13:15

I know I'd certainly use GPRS a *lot* more if it was cheaper/fixed price.
Vodafone would have to be careful to manage capacity, but I think GPRS data usage (with the exception of Live! and PXT) is still in the realm of geeks only.

It's the same as the Internet was quite some time ago, you paid for the time you used. These days there's not an ISP that doesn't offer cheap, fixed price dialup, while charging more for their broadband solution. Vodafone will probably do the same thing with 2G GPRS, offer it unlimited when they're able to offer 3G GPRS at a premium.

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#9937 5-Nov-2004 13:19

how much is the flat rate in australia? would it be competetive with satelitte (ihug) even if a little slower?

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#9938 5-Nov-2004 13:34

It's AU$50 unlimited GPRS, but with a fair use policy of 500MB/month... I couldn't use more than 50MB at GPRS speeds...

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#9939 5-Nov-2004 13:37

Ok just answered my own question... finally found it on their website.

$49.95 a month for "unlimited" GPRS access... of course take a look at the terms and conditions and what do you find...

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Excessive Use
* In the case of Vodafone GPRS services, downloading and/or uploading of more than 500MB of data each month on or from Your Mobile Phone is excessive use.

And later on...

If, after Vodafone has called you, your excessive or unreasonable use continues, Vodafone may, without further notice to you:

a) charge you a rate of 0.20c per KB for continued GPRS usage;
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Something should be done about all these T&C's which limit it. Why can't they just advertise it as 500MB << or at least the government MAKE them.

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