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#306565 3-Aug-2023 18:43

Moving to the country (gonna eat a lot of peaches).

Nothing out there but ADSL 🤮 according to the ISP's that I have contacted.

However, the 4g Mobile coverage and speed is excellent.

So, I'm thinking, can we use a phone as a dedicated hotspot whose connection to the outside world can then be used in the way pictured below?

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#3111570 3-Aug-2023 18:46

Any reason to not consider starlink?

Expect poor performance, phones often turn off the hotspot as well.

Suggest you get a proper 4G modem

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#3111571 3-Aug-2023 18:51

mentalinc:

Any reason to not consider starlink?

Weather, cost.

Expect poor performance, phones often turn off the hotspot as well.

Noted.

Suggest you get a proper 4G modem

Terrible speeds, 30/10 won't cut it for us.

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#3111590 3-Aug-2023 20:17

You just said the 4g coverage and speed is excellent.

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#3111591 3-Aug-2023 20:20

This looks like a bad idea. Grab a 4g modem, hook up some external antenna, add a PoE switch and some access points and you will be golden.

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#3111607 3-Aug-2023 20:41

Umm yeah, as ghenna said... 4G on phone or router will be the same.

Alo running a phone as a hotspot 24/7 will kill the phone eventually - try hotspotting 3 phones to it, and see how warm it gets :)

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#3111609 3-Aug-2023 20:41

Hang on, I need to take off my One NZ hat.

This is a bad idea if you're expecting to use a mobile plan as a permanent FWA solution(which kinda sounds like you're considering doing). More notably if you're pushing it to the limits on a site that'd not expected to take FWA connections that's going to raise a few eye brows.

Stop. You may get in some hot water as this could be against fair use with some providers (I can only comment for One NZ, whilst I haven't heard of any one being sent a warning, it also doesn't mean it won't happen).

You need an actual FWA/4G Broadband plan not mobile. You should most certainly go for that as you'll get not just the proper gear but also proper support.

Lastly. The whole 30/10 speed. That could be an average on peak. That could be a lot higher (or a lot lower) in real world depending on tower load, how it's specced, where it's pointing and what you get when you connect.

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#3111612 3-Aug-2023 20:54

The opinions here are interesting, much to learn from. But no one has actually answered the original question. Will the topology work. No decision has been made to implement it. Cheers.

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#3111613 3-Aug-2023 20:55

BadCo:

This looks like a bad idea. Grab a 4g modem, hook up some external antenna, add a PoE switch and some access points and you will be golden.

What an incredible coincidence. We used to flat together in Albany. How are you mate?

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#3111615 3-Aug-2023 21:06

xpd:

Umm yeah, as ghenna said... 4G on phone or router will be the same.

Alo running a phone as a hotspot 24/7 will kill the phone eventually - try hotspotting 3 phones to it, and see how warm it gets :)

The sales advisor at OneNZ said that 4G wireless broadband, and 4G mobile were different connections.

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#3111617 3-Aug-2023 21:07

I think you have had plenty of answers to wether it will work or not from people that should know.

TLDR; No, that won't work.

If 30/10 Mbit/s isn't enough and the option is 4G or Starlink then the only real solution will be Starlink + Ethernet adapter (Starlink's Ethernet adapter).

You will get better speeds on Starlink then you can expect from RBI/4G or a wireless provider.

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#3111620 3-Aug-2023 21:08

Yes the typology will work.

But as noted above, the phone will die and you will likely be breaching your T&Cs

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#3111621 3-Aug-2023 21:09

valtam:
xpd:

Umm yeah, as ghenna said... 4G on phone or router will be the same.

Alo running a phone as a hotspot 24/7 will kill the phone eventually - try hotspotting 3 phones to it, and see how warm it gets :)

The sales advisor at OneNZ said that 4G wireless broadband, and 4G mobile were different connections.

Now I get to put my hat back on.

Yes for 3 key reasons.
Support levels.
Prioritization.
Potentially stop sell due to capacity management.

Sales adviser advised correctly we treat them differently. Even though they use the same technology they are very different in how it's supported and managed.

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#3111622 3-Aug-2023 21:15

MaxineN: Hang on, I need to take off my One NZ hat.

This is a bad idea if you're expecting to use a mobile plan as a permanent FWA solution(which kinda sounds like you're considering doing). More notably if you're pushing it to the limits on a site that'd not expected to take FWA connections that's going to raise a few eye brows.

Stop. You may get in some hot water as this could be against fair use with some providers (I can only comment for One NZ, whilst I haven't heard of any one being sent a warning, it also doesn't mean it won't happen).

You need an actual FWA/4G Broadband plan not mobile. You should most certainly go for that as you'll get not just the proper gear but also proper support.

Lastly. The whole 30/10 speed. That could be an average on peak. That could be a lot higher (or a lot lower) in real world depending on tower load, how it's specced, where it's pointing and what you get when you connect.

Could you please point me in the right direction of an unlimited FWA/4G Broadband plan? Thank you.

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#3111623 3-Aug-2023 21:18

valtam:
MaxineN: Hang on, I need to take off my One NZ hat.

This is a bad idea if you're expecting to use a mobile plan as a permanent FWA solution(which kinda sounds like you're considering doing). More notably if you're pushing it to the limits on a site that'd not expected to take FWA connections that's going to raise a few eye brows.

Stop. You may get in some hot water as this could be against fair use with some providers (I can only comment for One NZ, whilst I haven't heard of any one being sent a warning, it also doesn't mean it won't happen).

You need an actual FWA/4G Broadband plan not mobile. You should most certainly go for that as you'll get not just the proper gear but also proper support.

Lastly. The whole 30/10 speed. That could be an average on peak. That could be a lot higher (or a lot lower) in real world depending on tower load, how it's specced, where it's pointing and what you get when you connect.

Could you please point me in the right direction of an unlimited FWA/4G Broadband plan? Thank you.

Sure.

If you're in the area where there is capacity for any of the 3 providers you will get the option of unlimited. If there's some capacity management in place you'll only get capped options. If you are RBI. You're RBI.

You can check for One New Zealand specifically here https://one.nz/broadband/wireless-broadband/

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#3111626 3-Aug-2023 21:22

So I called the sales advisor but he said I could only get ADSL. However, I can get excellent 4G mobile speeds from the same location. A little confused now :(

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