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#3231432 16-May-2024 18:29

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IMO we should be paying for it through our taxes. We used to have a license fee, which got switched to the government funding it directly from taxes. But I don't know if they have increased this funding over the years. The UK has the BBC for this reason. Although they still have the old TV license thing which is a dated way to charge. But the NZ model doesn't see to work because governments will often try to cut back spending to make their books look better.

TVNZ is not government funded and hasn't been for a long time.

I said it should be taxpayer funded, like BBC, but from general taxation like most other services. It is an easy target for funding cuts.

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#3231435 16-May-2024 19:03

You said "We used to have a license fee, which got switched to the government funding it directly from taxes" I'm saying that it hasn't been funded directly from taxes for quite some time now.

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#3231484 16-May-2024 21:26

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Reven is an xmltv legend - I can attest to that!

Probably the reason a lot of smart people ditched mainstream media and linear TV.

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#3231618 17-May-2024 08:12

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I watch the odd thing on these. At the moment I'm watching Star Trek Discovery on TVNZ+ because it's not on any of the streaming services that I subscribe to. They also tend to have some very good UK crime dramas.

But you're watching it at a vastly lower quality than paramont+ and other services that the rest of the world gets. three now and tvnz+ are low quality services with ads.

Really video media needs to become like music where all services have a decent catalog of stuff instead of them all being their own little silos of exclusive stuff. Otherwise its a pirate life for me.

Looks absolutely fine on my TV and with my eyesight. I don't need to see every pimple and skin blemish on the actors.

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#3231999 17-May-2024 23:45

The calls to shut down TVNZ/RNZ asap are wild imo, the government has a duty to have freely available methods to reach the public that shouldn't be locked behind the requirement of an internet connection, even if it costs hundreds of millions over the next decade. TVNZ is planning on operating as digital first(streaming) in the next 4-5 years but will be broadcasting on the airwaves significantly longer beyond that. My understanding is many NZ cities still have internet uptake <95%, not everyone can afford or has access to those services once it goes digital only. How do you reach them, are subsidized services(ie starlink for remote areas that will never have UFB) going to cost more than keeping TVNZ/RNZ running?

The 2023 census data will start releasing from the end of this month so we will see new stats(last stats are from 2018) on internet uptake in NZ and what looks feasible.

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#3232056 18-May-2024 10:50

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How do you reach them, are subsidized services(ie starlink for remote areas that will never have UFB) going to cost more than keeping TVNZ/RNZ running?

My retired parents spend much of the year living in a very remote part of the country, by choice. They do not expect subsidized starlink, or even TV reception, because it's their choice to live there. It's perfectly reasonable for people who live remotely to have less access government funded services. The only thing my parents want from government is for the roads to be kept open and not take years to repair.

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#3232062 18-May-2024 11:05

(ie starlink for remote areas that will never have UFB)

Freeview Satellite service covers 100% of New Zealand.

I have noticed, Samsung TVs sold in NZ tend to include the required tuner. In some cases even when it is not advertised on the retailer's product description.

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#3232065 18-May-2024 11:13

Lias: The only thing my parents want from government is for the roads to be kept open and not take years to repair.

Presumably your parents also appreciate the many other services the government provides in order that a civil society is maintained.

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#3232247 18-May-2024 21:55

loceff13:

The calls to shut down TVNZ/RNZ asap are wild imo, the government has a duty to have freely available methods to reach the public that shouldn't be locked behind the requirement of an internet connection, even if it costs hundreds of millions over the next decade. TVNZ is planning on operating as digital first(streaming) in the next 4-5 years but will be broadcasting on the airwaves significantly longer beyond that. My understanding is many NZ cities still have internet uptake <95%, not everyone can afford or has access to those services once it goes digital only. How do you reach them, are subsidized services(ie starlink for remote areas that will never have UFB) going to cost more than keeping TVNZ/RNZ running?

The 2023 census data will start releasing from the end of this month so we will see new stats(last stats are from 2018) on internet uptake in NZ and what looks feasible.

... the state is going to make plans based on one specific piece of tech (Starlink) ?
The geek in you is showing. Starlink is a private company, a single capability, why would a state delivered solution make any presumptions as to its availability?

We need to stop trotting out Starlink as the connectivity solution for everything.

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#3232248 18-May-2024 21:56

gzt:
Lias: The only thing my parents want from government is for the roads to be kept open and not take years to repair.

Presumably your parents also appreciate the many other services the government provides in order that a civil society is maintained.

Indeed. Apparently the military, civil defense, critical infrastructure delivery, even currency, aren't important? Law and order, hospitals, education systems... nahhh. Just roads?

There's a political lens here I won't even bring up.

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#3232761 20-May-2024 17:32

BlakJak:

... the state is going to make plans based on one specific piece of tech (Starlink) ?
The geek in you is showing. Starlink is a private company, a single capability, why would a state delivered solution make any presumptions as to its availability?

We need to stop trotting out Starlink as the connectivity solution for everything.

I just mean it's likely better value than WISP for many people in that situation or with no connectivity at all.

As for satellite won't that coverage end when TVNZ/Warner they stop paying Kordia the ~500k/yr for existing broadcasting when they go digital only? I imagine satellite use is probably tied in with that deal.

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#3232762 20-May-2024 17:34

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What are you referring to here?

Don't need to think very hard to understand this one.

Indulge me.

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#3233964 23-May-2024 22:25

loceff13:

BlakJak:

... the state is going to make plans based on one specific piece of tech (Starlink) ?
The geek in you is showing. Starlink is a private company, a single capability, why would a state delivered solution make any presumptions as to its availability?

We need to stop trotting out Starlink as the connectivity solution for everything.

I just mean it's likely better value than WISP for many people in that situation or with no connectivity at all.

As for satellite won't that coverage end when TVNZ/Warner they stop paying Kordia the ~500k/yr for existing broadcasting when they go digital only? I imagine satellite use is probably tied in with that deal.

I imagine one of the conditions of discontinuing broadcast TV will be ensuring adequate coverage of alternatives.
Fair to say that even conventional radio broadcast might be classed as an alternative for state-led emergency broadcast requirements.

Maybe that would be enough for them to say that state-run-and-funded TV options aren't required anymore. Or maybe not.
It's all pie-in-the-sky until it happens.
But I highly doubt it'll be buy-Starlink-or-miss-out as an official position.

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#3234022 24-May-2024 07:48

loceff13:

The calls to shut down TVNZ/RNZ asap are wild imo, the government has a duty to have freely available methods to reach the public that shouldn't be locked behind the requirement of an internet connection, even if it costs hundreds of millions over the next decade.

I guess the counter to that is the argument for bank cheques. Why keep a product or service around that's seeing dwindling use? Like many other posters, I haven't watched linear TV in a decade or so. Our TV is probably 50% YouTube (just two adults in the house) then remainder is Netflix/Prime and a myriad of others I should probably check. But I travel for work so don't really watch TV at all.

It makes me wonder about locally produced content, it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. IE if younger people are not watching linear TV or the NZ based apps (TVNZ, 3+ etc) then is there any need to produce content? Or are they not watching because it can't be seen easily?

It did make laugh, my nephew is about sixteen, and I was trying to explain how when his father and I were kids, if we missed a TV show, it was never seen again. We didn't get a VCR until I was about eleven I think.

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#3249454 15-Jun-2024 20:03

Late to the discussion, but the Better Public Media Trust had its AGM several weeks back. They continue to call for a media levy on broadcasting & Internet infrastructure, as a way of keeping partisan politics out of public broadcasting funding.The "Google tax" is worthy of consideration, but probably won't be as effective as a levy.

Personally I don't pretend to have solutions, but I can safely say that the likes of Fox News, Russia Today & El*n M*sk's takeover of the former Twitter are a big part of the problem.

Full video of AGM here:

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"Create a society that values material things above all else. Strip it of industry. Raise taxes for the poor and reduce them for the rich and for corporations. Prop up failed financial institutions with public money. Ask for more tax, while vastly reducing public services. Put adverts everywhere, regardless of people's ability to afford the things they advertise. Allow the cost of food and housing to eclipse people's ability to pay for them. Light blue touch paper." — Andrew Maxwell

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