2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2590637 23-Oct-2020 10:34

"FDA approves Gilead’s remdesivir as coronavirus treatment"

The drug will be used for Covid-19 patients at least 12 years old and requiring hospitalization, Gilead said. Remdesivir is now the first and only fully approved treatment in the U.S. for Covid-19, which has infected more than 41.3 million people worldwide and killed more than 1 million, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

Remdesivir is approved or authorized for temporary use as a Covid-19 treatment in approximately 50 countries worldwide, according to the company.

The drug is administered in a hospital setting via an IV. The company said the medication should only be administered in a hospital or in a health-care setting capable of providing acute care comparable with inpatient hospital care.

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#2590648 23-Oct-2020 10:47

tdgeek:

An outbreak starts from a single case/ leak . Infact the virus likely started from just a single infection , from animal to human. If NZ got a case of foot and mouth into NZ via animal quarantine I am sure the public wouldn’t be happy and I am sure the officials saying, well it is just one case that got through, but we have stopped thousands of others. That wouldn’t fly.

Double rooming these COVID infected workers was just a bad idea and goes against the entire concept of quarantine. The Dr Skeggs interview above explains it well. Yes we can allow people to come in but it needs to be done properly and safely, not cutting corners by trying to save money on accommodation by double rooming , which is the only reason I can see for double rooming people.

We are likely going to end up going up a level or 2 as a direct result of such holes , which then affects everyone’s lives and pocket.

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#2590661 23-Oct-2020 11:09

mattwnz:
tdgeek:

An outbreak starts from a single case/ leak . Infact the virus likely started from just a single infection , from animal to human. If NZ got a case of foot and mouth into NZ via animal quarantine I am sure the public wouldn’t be happy and I am sure the officials saying, well it is just one case that got through, but we have stopped thousands of others. That wouldn’t fly.

Double rooming these COVID infected workers was just a bad idea and goes against the entire concept of quarantine. The Dr Skeggs interview above explains it well. Yes we can allow people to come in but it needs to be done properly and safely, not cutting corners by trying to save money on accommodation by double rooming , which is the only reason I can see for double rooming people.

So place every person in their own suite? Thats fine just double the hotel space. What about those that escape? That's a risk. Bins? Air crew, ship crew, isolation before they left then tested negative yet still arrived with it. I guess it depends on how much risk we can accept.

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#2590665 23-Oct-2020 11:11

mattwnz:
tdgeek:

An outbreak starts from a single case/ leak . Infact the virus likely started from just a single infection , from animal to human. If NZ got a case of foot and mouth into NZ via animal quarantine I am sure the public wouldn’t be happy and I am sure the officials saying, well it is just one case that got through, but we have stopped thousands of others. That wouldn’t fly. .

So you require a 100% result at the border?

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#2590670 23-Oct-2020 11:18

tdgeek:

So you require a 100% result at the border?

If quarantine is done properly, then there shouldn’t be leaks at the border. Double rooming is not proper quarantine. That is just another hole

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#2590682 23-Oct-2020 11:26

I'd like to see the quarantine arrangements actively tested under stress - has anyone else thought this?

It would be worth the extra cost to have a better understanding of the various risks in NZ: different climate and seasons, different catchment, different social behaviour, and so on. Then we should be better informed on how to improve quarantine and how to prepare for larger numbers of travelers.

Test everyone at least once a day to see the pattern of spreading infection. Determine what are the most risky behaviours or activities. Continue the individual testing for, say, a month after each person leaves quarantine.

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#2590684 23-Oct-2020 11:29

mattwnz:

If quarantine is done properly, then there shouldn’t be leaks at the border. Double rooming is not proper quarantine. That is just another hole

Another hole? So as well as double rooming there are othner holes? They arent prisons. If you want prison-like security, say so.

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#2590704 23-Oct-2020 12:04

mattwnz:
tdgeek:

So you require a 100% result at the border?

If quarantine is done properly, then there shouldn’t be leaks at the border. Double rooming is not proper quarantine. That is just another hole

what hole , if they are in Quarantine then they are in Quarantine. It shouldnt matter how many covid people are in a room ,they dont get into the community untill they are negative.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2590738 23-Oct-2020 13:06

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It shouldnt matter how many covid people are in a room ,they dont get into the community untill they are negative.

The issue is with infecting each other, and that you can be infected for a day or two before the test can pick it up. So a person infected just before the first test would not be detected at that point. They could then infect the other person just before the second test. The first person would be picked up on the second test, but the second person would still be negative and would get out into the community.

The isolation facility is not only to isolate immigrants from the resident population, but also to isolate inmates from each other.

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#2590766 23-Oct-2020 14:04

Totally agree double rooming is against the point of managed isolation. Key word isolation. It presents another risk vector, but it's one that's easily managed and so we should manage it.

We can have a functioning economy with these safeguards in place, and further, we need those safeguards in place to have a functioning economy at all.

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#2590827 23-Oct-2020 14:48

vexxxboy:

what hole , if they are in Quarantine then they are in Quarantine. It shouldnt matter how many covid people are in a room ,they dont get into the community untill they are negative.

Bin gate. Those covid cases were released after their 14 days were up. Apparently it was due to shared bin but one of the epidemiologists thought that was very unlikely. But that shared bin was a hole that should have been identified as a shared point of contact under their risk analysis.

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#2590830 23-Oct-2020 14:52

Double rooming is not new people. In the case of the Russian fishermen they just don't belong to the same family

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#2590833 23-Oct-2020 14:58

cshwone: Double rooming is not new people. In the case of the Russian fishermen they just don't belong to the same family

+ This... Couples that return through MIQ are in the same room, is this any different???

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#2590860 23-Oct-2020 15:31

wellygary:
cshwone: Double rooming is not new people. In the case of the Russian fishermen they just don't belong to the same family

+ This... Couples that return through MIQ are in the same room, is this any different???

Yes it is different because a couple were already close contacts to one another. So they travelled together, so they likely both already have the virus when going into isolation. But two workers, one may have it and one might not, and one may not test positive but infect the other at Day 10 of isolation. Prof Skeggs explains it in his interview.

But imo a couple sharing a room isn't ideal but as most will be in a close relationship this would mean that both should get the virus early on.

This also maybe an issue when they start to bring in overseas students if they decide to double room them to save money on isolations costs

If NZS top epidemiologist says it isn't right, I hope the officials are listening. I do wonder where their advice on double rooming these workers came from and what the reason for doing this was. Was it a way to save money?

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#2590861 23-Oct-2020 15:33

The app alerted me to something, I pulled down the tray at the top and it just had a yellow square and covid19 on the notification, I opened it and the app opened to the scanning screen.

Apparently other people on twitter got some text about keep on scanning but I didn't get that. Will probably lead to a lot of people calling healthline about it.

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