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wellygary
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  #2592440 27-Oct-2020 14:56
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tdgeek:

 

Lockdowns where you can get your nails done and hair cut, is hardly a lockdown IMHO, its more like a cheap effort that inevitably got a cheap result. Hard work always pays off, there are no shortcuts

 

 

The harshness  of Melbourne's (and Australia's) original lockdown had no bearing on the "August" outbreak.... it was not due to a resurgence of remaining community COVID....

 

The "second wave" in Melbourne was simply due to COVID leaking out from the MIQs (since the end of May) and not being detected for 2 months....




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  #2592443 27-Oct-2020 15:05
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Batman:

 

child test negative in Napier then test positive in Japan

 

article says potentially historical case. but Napier?

 

 

There was a cluster in Napier in the beginning of the pandemic here in NZ, thanks to the visit of the cruise ship Ruby Princess.





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  #2592456 27-Oct-2020 15:31
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wellygary:

 

tdgeek:

 

Lockdowns where you can get your nails done and hair cut, is hardly a lockdown IMHO, its more like a cheap effort that inevitably got a cheap result. Hard work always pays off, there are no shortcuts

 

 

The harshness  of Melbourne's (and Australia's) original lockdown had no bearing on the "August" outbreak.... it was not due to a resurgence of remaining community COVID....

 

The "second wave" in Melbourne was simply due to COVID leaking out from the MIQs (since the end of May) and not being detected for 2 months....

 

 

 

 

Wasn't it more to do with delaying action, and poor contact tracing after this occurred. It was reported that they were still using faxes in Victoria as part of their contact tracing systems. Although wouldn't be surprised if NZ was too, prior to being forced into the first lockdown, as our contact tracing also wasn't up to scratch. From countries like Taiwan, who had good contact tracing in place, it does show how important it  was that NZ was prepared for a pandemic like this. It is not as though we hadn't had warnings with SARs, and Bill Gates also warned that it was just a matter of time. 




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  #2592460 27-Oct-2020 15:43
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tdgeek:

 

But its harder staying put when you live somewhere where the weather is generally great day in and day out.

 

 

Unlike Sydney flat-dwellers, most people in Melbourne live in the endless suburbs, with ticky-tacky houses and small gardens. They can have beer delivered, put a blanket out on the grass, and enjoy the weather all they like without ever leaving home, not that the weather is always that great.

 

  





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  #2592465 27-Oct-2020 15:50
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mattwnz:

 

Wasn't it more to do with delaying action, and poor contact tracing after this occurred. It was reported that they were still using faxes in Victoria as part of their contact tracing systems. Although wouldn't be surprised if NZ was too, prior to being forced into the first lockdown, as our contact tracing also wasn't up to scratch. From countries like Taiwan, who had good contact tracing in place, it does show how important it  was that NZ was prepared for a pandemic like this. It is not as though we hadn't had warnings with SARs, and Bill Gates also warned that it was just a matter of time. 

 

 

To be honest, Even if they had an amazing contact tracing system,  2 months of quiet virus spread ( @3-5 days incubation) gives you 10-20 iterations.... there is no way you can contact trace those sorts of numbers without major movement and spread restrictions, you simply become overwhelmed....


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  #2592586 27-Oct-2020 22:47
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Testing wastewater is a waste of time (and water) because the managed isolation hotels are going to give positive results anyway.

 

So an expert said on the radio some weeks ago. Soz, can't remember who that was.





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  #2592596 28-Oct-2020 00:46
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elpenguino:

 

Testing wastewater is a waste of time (and water) because the managed isolation hotels are going to give positive results anyway.

 

So an expert said on the radio some weeks ago. Soz, can't remember who that was.

 

 

 

 

I guess it could help in those areas without isolation hotels. But I wonder if it will also show up some of these people who still have it in their systems, and can still come up as a weak positive.


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  #2592621 28-Oct-2020 08:55
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Were there any cases yesterday?

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  #2592622 28-Oct-2020 08:56
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Batman: Were there any cases yesterday?

 

1 in MIQ (a child aged 1-4 from the UK).


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  #2592634 28-Oct-2020 09:27
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mattwnz:

 

elpenguino:

 

Testing wastewater is a waste of time (and water) because the managed isolation hotels are going to give positive results anyway.

 

So an expert said on the radio some weeks ago. Soz, can't remember who that was.

 

 

I guess it could help in those areas without isolation hotels. But I wonder if it will also show up some of these people who still have it in their systems, and can still come up as a weak positive.

 

 

Yeah, From memory traces have recently been found in OZ in Townsville and Bathurst wastewater.. but none showed up in an subsequent human testing.... 


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  #2592775 28-Oct-2020 15:35
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New York Times: US Hospitals Are Reeling Under a 46 Percent Spike in Covid-19 Patients

The number of people hospitalized with the coronavirus has climbed significantly from a month ago, straining American cities that have fewer resources to weather the surges.

...the number of Americans hospitalized climbed an estimated 46 percent from a month ago and raising fears about the capacity of regional health care systems to respond to overwhelming demand.

The exploding case numbers point to a volatile new phase in the pandemic, coming after earlier waves hit large cities such as New York, then Sun Belt states like Florida and Arizona. While some of those places have begun to bring the virus under control, the surge of hospitalizations is crippling some cities with fewer resources.

In El Paso Texas, where the number of people hospitalized with Covid-19 has more than tripled over the past three weeks, doctors at University Medical Center have started airlifting some patients to hospitals as far away as San Antonio Texas while treating others in a field hospital in a nearby parking lot.

Across the border in Mexico, the mayor of Ciudad Juárez, himself hospitalized after testing positive for the virus for the second time, is urging a temporary ban on U.S. citizens crossing into his city.
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  #2592796 28-Oct-2020 16:33
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kingdragonfly: New York Times: US Hospitals Are Reeling Under a 46 Percent Spike in Covid-19 Patients

The number of people hospitalized with the coronavirus has climbed significantly from a month ago, straining American cities that have fewer resources to weather the surges.

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Europe doesn't seem much better,


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  #2592863 28-Oct-2020 18:29
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"Folding@home exascale supercomputer finds potential targets for COVID-19 cure"

 

 

In its SARS-CoV-2 simulations, F@h first targeted the spike, the cone-shaped appendages on the surface of the virus consisting of three proteins. The spike must open to attach itself to a human cell to infiltrate and replicate. F@h's mission was to simulate this opening process to gain unique insight into what the open state looks like and find a way to inhibit the connection between the spike and human cells.

 

And it did so. In a newly published paper, the Folding@home team said it was able to simulate an "unprecedented" 0.1 seconds of the viral proteome. They captured dramatic opening of the spike complex, as well as shape-shifting in other proteins that revealed more than 50 "cryptic" pockets that expand targeting options for the design of antivirals. 

 

Dr. Greg Bowman, associate professor of biochemistry at Washington University and leader of Folding@home, said the spikes hide from the immune system by folding up on themselves to protect their receptor-binding sites, kind of like how a turtle pulls into its shell. Eventually, though, they would have to open up to find a potential host. 

 

That was what F@h targeted. "We knew it was happening but not what it looked like. In the simulations, we see far more extensive opening than had been seen experimentally," Bowman told me.

 

 

The model derived from the F@h simulations shows that the spike opens up and exposes buried surfaces. These surfaces are necessary for infecting a human cell and can also be targeted with antibodies or antivirals that bind to the surface to neutralize the virus and prevent it from infecting someone.

 

"By generating over 100-fold more data than anyone else has access to, we were able to capture events like a dramatic opening of the spike that exposes surfaces one wouldn't otherwise have expected were viable targets. Likewise, we also found opening motions that create novel pockets in many other viral proteins. All these new structural features could be useful drug targets. We're sharing all the data online so that others can use it to understand the virus and develop antivirals in parallel with our own efforts," Bowman said.

 

 

 

 

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  #2592864 28-Oct-2020 18:34
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Spanish doctors strike as coronavirus cases rise, government mulls new restrictions

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-strike-idUSKBN26Y244

 

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With close to 900,000 registered cases and more than 33,000 deaths, Spain has become the pandemic’s hotspot in Western Europe with the capital Madrid and nearby suburbs on lockdown since last week
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“We’re asking for help, because we cannot give people the resources they need to be treated during this COVID pandemic,” said Natalia Roses, a doctor at a protest in Barcelona on the first of the four-day strike.
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Seems its getting beyond what many medical workers can stand.

 

I did see UK article some months back that UK medical staff are also seeing more talk of early retirement,
after many came back from retirement to help in first wave. 


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