2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2656483 15-Feb-2021 09:28

Yeah I think there's a big difference between "Wu Flu" or "Kung Flu" or "Chinavirus" and referring to the UK or South African strains. Agree that another method of referring to them would be ideal though.

Welcome back to level 3 and level 2 I guess.

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#2656496 15-Feb-2021 09:46

Jas777:

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so for the 3 people who have got out of the Isolation Hotels and tested positive after 14 days, out of the 100,000 who have been through and remember no one has "escaped" from the quarantine hotel, we should put every one in a camp somewhere. Seems a bit of an over reaction. also remember there is only 44 people who have covid at the moment , it should be pretty easy to keep track of them.

Better than 5 million people in affective house arrest 3 times and probably another time to come.

Plus taking 100 million out of the economy and knock on effect everytime a lockdown occurs

Actually, it was about 1 million in something less than house arrest 3 times. The other 4 million had something less than house arrest once, and a few other restrictions twice.

We certainly haven't taken 100 million out of the economy even during the L4 lockdown... just shifted it back a few weeks. But even if we had, that's what money is for. You accumulate it when times are good, and use it to minimise the effect when times are bad.

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#2656501 15-Feb-2021 10:08

Re Auckland being in level 3, It is interesting to note that a bunch of the Waikato has been included as "Auckland"

https://covid19.govt.nz/travel-and-the-border/travel-within-new-zealand/regional-travel/auckland-boundary-description-for-alert-level-3

I don't have a problem with this as the Auckland southern boundary was note really ideal to enforce, and is especially harsh on small settlements like Otaua which while in the Waikato has no road access to the waikato without crossing into Auckland.

But I don't think the new region should have been descirbed as "Auckland". "Auckland Plus" or "Auckland + Upper Waikato" would have been better. I imagine the people of Tuakau & Pukeno will have been quite surprised to fine they are actually in level 3 despite living in the waikato.

If the checkpoint locations are correct on the NZTA website, at the northern boundary they don't line up with the level 3 boundaries linked above. (Kaiwaka is in level 2, but has a checkpoint to the north or it). Main Checkpoint is at the foot of the Brynderwyn's, at the SH1 / SH12 intersection.

https://www.journeys.nzta.govt.nz/traffic/roadhazards/330235

On a more positive note, the checkpoints seem to have been picked to be locations that are easy to give good / comprehensive coverage, unlike last time:

"Please note additional NZ Police checkpoints are on Cove Rd, at Tangaroa Rd intersection, just north of Mangawhai - and at Mountain Rd on SH1, north of Kaiwaka. No alternative routes north/south are available."

And for the southern boarder: "Please note additional NZ Police checkpoints are on SH1 at Mercer/Meremere - and at Waharau Regional Park on East Coast Rd, north of Whakatiwai - and at the River Rd bridge, south of Tuakau. No alternative routes north/south are available." - That said, this doesn't sound comprehensive. There is a road through the Hunua ranges that is not listed.

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#2656508 15-Feb-2021 10:29

Scott3:

- That said, this doesn't sound comprehensive. There is a road through the Hunua ranges that is not listed.

If you look on google maps there is a traffic jam on that road. So I suspect there might be stop there as well.

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#2656509 15-Feb-2021 10:32

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Last weekend, Iowa Governor. Kim Reynolds (Republican) lifted all pandemic restrictions. There was no explanation, no warning. Nor did the governor consult with the state’s Public Health Department before removing mask mandates and limits on gatherings and indoor dining. Whatever thin protections separated Iowans from the coronavirus were just gone.

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As the pandemic unfolded, the policy contradictions began to take on a cruel coherence, making clear whose safety mattered. Initially, Iowa’s biggest outbreaks were at food processing plants, which employ a large amount of immigrant labor. At first, the plants shut down; farmers, with no market for their hogs, euthanized them. Then a moral calculus was made: pork before people. Plants opened up. The governor praised the companies. In August, a lawsuit filed by families of workers alleged that management had lied to them about the risk and forced them to work without adequate personal protective equipment. Plant managers were taking bets on how many workers would get sick. The state still hasn’t reported how many food processing plant employees’ lives have been lost in this gamble.
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It only got worse from there. The state-sanctioned denialism was made especially obvious by the way we treated those whose safety we supposedly held dearest: our children. Iowa was the only state in the nation that allowed high school students to play baseball and softball; at the time, the state was averaging between 250 and 300 cases a week.
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#2656532 15-Feb-2021 11:04

vexxxboy:

the 2 people who travelled in the same car as the couple tested negative ,so Taranaki might have just dodged a bullet and they werent infectious at that stage.

Maybe. Maybe not... remember there's a high false negative rate with nasal swabs.

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#2656537 15-Feb-2021 11:17

frankv:

Actually, it was about 1 million in something less than house arrest 3 times. The other 4 million had something less than house arrest once, and a few other restrictions twice.

We certainly haven't taken 100 million out of the economy even during the L4 lockdown... just shifted it back a few weeks. But even if we had, that's what money is for. You accumulate it when times are good, and use it to minimise the effect when times are bad.

Sorry if people got confused, I was still actually talking about Melbourne in my comment, not NZ.

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#2656542 15-Feb-2021 11:28

Negative press starting to roll in re the checkpoints north of auckland.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/confusion-reigns-in-northland-on-alert-levels-and-borders/N3QU23RORDWLL4GWVCONHKYEGM/

In Short, the government Covid-19 website has the area covered by level 3 in orange on the below map, and the main police checkpoint northbound is set up where circled.

The Likes of Kawaka is in level 2, but south of the boundary. The article makes it sound like the police are blocking lawful travel within level 2 area's. Pretty bad look for the police if this is the case.

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#2656720 15-Feb-2021 14:24

Scott3:

Negative press starting to roll in re the checkpoints north of auckland.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/confusion-reigns-in-northland-on-alert-levels-and-borders/N3QU23RORDWLL4GWVCONHKYEGM/

In Short, the government Covid-19 website has the area covered by level 3 in orange on the below map, and the main police checkpoint northbound is set up where circled.

The Likes of Kawaka is in level 2, but south of the boundary. The article makes it sound like the police are blocking lawful travel within level 2 area's. Pretty bad look for the police if this is the case.

Based on a lot of this info, it does look like the checkpoints should have been further South (in the North).

Current placement makes it appear that you could take a couple of country back roads to Dargaville and escape the blockade. Not ideal...and probably not actually doable in practice.

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#2656781 15-Feb-2021 14:58

LSG have stated that the woman employed by them wasn't required to be tested under government guidelines, but testing was carried out by them as a precaution for staff who didn't have face to face contact with travellers.

The way this seems to be developing it looks like fomite transmission, and perhaps more workers should be included in mandatory testing if they're going to be in contact with anything coming off planes. Blankets, towels etc must be pretty high risk IMO.

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#2656783 15-Feb-2021 15:05

Fred99:

LSG have stated that the woman employed by them wasn't required to be tested under government guidelines, but testing was carried out by them as a precaution for staff who didn't have face to face contact with travellers.

The way this seems to be developing it looks like fomite transmission, and perhaps more workers should be included in mandatory testing if they're going to be in contact with anything coming off planes. Blankets, towels etc must be pretty high risk IMO.

Be pretty peculiar. As it would mean there had to be the likelyhood of someone in Hotel/MIQ, (or a pilot/staff that stayed and left on next rotation and not tested). That is shedding in quantities. Tested negative thus far - or rather, from at least 2 weeks ago on the 3-5th. To not be picked up yet.

Given there's no genomic link to any other positive counts at present. No?

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#2656784 15-Feb-2021 15:06

It was pretty hard on Tuakau and Pokeno to be separated from Pukekohe last time.

Waka Kotahi state there is a checkpoint on the River Rd bridge south of Tuakau, but I suspect not as that is inside the area outlined on the Covid19 website.

Has anyone been that way today?

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#2656844 15-Feb-2021 15:40

Oblivian:

Fred99:

The way this seems to be developing it looks like fomite transmission, and perhaps more workers should be included in mandatory testing if they're going to be in contact with anything coming off planes. Blankets, towels etc must be pretty high risk IMO.

Be pretty peculiar. As it would mean there had to be the likelyhood of someone in Hotel/MIQ, (or a pilot/staff that stayed and left on next rotation and not tested). That is shedding in quantities. Tested negative thus far - or rather, from at least 2 weeks ago on the 3-5th. To not be picked up yet.

Given there's no genomic link to any other positive counts at present. No?

Depends where the plane had been travelling... perhaps the shedder was a traveller who went to MIQ in Sydney or Melbourne or Singapore or one of dozens of other places? Perhaps it was a person doing laundry & folding blankets at another airport?

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#2656846 15-Feb-2021 15:51

@kiwifidget:
It was pretty hard on Tuakau and Pokeno to be separated from Pukekohe last time.

Waka Kotahi state there is a checkpoint on the River Rd bridge south of Tuakau, but I suspect not as that is inside the area outlined on the Covid19 website.

Has anyone been that way today?

I did read or see something that hinted the borders may have been adjusted to bring Port Waikato and Onewhero (and maybe Pukekawa?) into the Auckland area, where initially (last night) the borders were to be at the old Franklin boundaries (which apparently hugged the river and didn't include The Port, etc, but my memory of Franklin isn't that perfect). Haven't seen anything official, though. Certainly a better idea than a cordon at the bridge, which would effectively mean a bit of a nightmare for Port Waikato etc, with regards to reaching supplies, especially if this does last more than three days.

Yes, the last lockdown, with the border at the Auckland boundary, many in Pokeno and Tuakau couldn't get to work, which understandably didn't go down well with so many working in Auckland. This time around, there's been some noise that it's not fair to be lumped in to the Level 3 restrictions. Just can't win!

At least the supermarket in Pokeno is open now.

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#2656849 15-Feb-2021 15:58

Stu:

Yes, the last lockdown, with the border at the Auckland boundary, many in Pokeno and Tuakau couldn't get to work, which understandably didn't go down well with so many working in Auckland. This time around, there's been some noise that it's not fair to be lumped in to the Level 3 restrictions. Just can't win!

At least the supermarket in Pokeno is open now.

Just goes to show Auckland's sprawl should never have been allowed to reach that far... It's a tough one because I think most people who live in Pokeno probably have a connection to Auckland or at least Pukekohe for work and what have you (all 2 people I know in Pokeno certainly do), so they are Aucklanders in that regard - but technically it's the Waikato. Suspect including them in Auckland for the purposes of lockdown is the right approach.

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