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  #2656850 15-Feb-2021 15:59
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Handsomedan:

 

Based on a lot of this info, it does look like the checkpoints should have been further South (in the North). 

 

Current placement makes it appear that you could take a couple of country back roads to Dargaville and escape the blockade. Not ideal...and probably not actually doable in practice. 

 

 

The public health order is here:

 

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2021/0006/latest/whole.html#LMS451773

 

The northern boundary of the Level 3 zone is clear. If the reports of police turning back people who haven't or weren't going to cross that boundary are accurate, then it appears that the police have overstepped.

 

 

 

From NZTA: "Please note additional NZ Police checkpoints are on Cove Rd, at Tangaroa Rd intersection, just north of Mangawhai - and at Mountain Rd on SH1, north of Kaiwaka. No alternative routes north/south are available."

 

If my map reading is correct, only the three listed road blocks are required to cut off north / south road access. It is actually a good location to pick for checkpoints if the Level 2 / 3 boundary was made to match.




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  #2656851 15-Feb-2021 16:01
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frankv:

 

Depends where the plane had been travelling... perhaps the shedder was a traveller who went to MIQ in Sydney or Melbourne or Singapore or one of dozens of other places? Perhaps it was a person doing laundry & folding blankets at another airport?

 

 

Just not convinced it's as black and white as that yet.

 

There tends to be 2 lots of teams involved with the servicing. And a dirty/clean side to tend with. And until they dig further it may not be clear. Or even if it is stuff off an aircraft.

 

You have the clearing of aircraft - which you would hope was controlled. Then you have the processing of those products. Then likely the re-distribution of those (if it's that sort of thing). And who they contract out to is also not clear. Too many big holes


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  #2656852 15-Feb-2021 16:01
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Google maps shows congestion at the bridge suggesting there is a checkpoint there, even though its well inside the boundary.

 

 

 





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  #2656853 15-Feb-2021 16:03
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antonknee:

 

 

 

Just goes to show Auckland's sprawl should never have been allowed to reach that far... It's a tough one because I think most people who live in Pokeno probably have a connection to Auckland or at least Pukekohe for work and what have you (all 2 people I know in Pokeno certainly do), so they are Aucklanders in that regard - but technically it's the Waikato. Suspect including them in Auckland for the purposes of lockdown is the right approach.

 

 

If we assume the airport is the centre of infection:

 

  • Pokeno is 40km away
  • Wellsford is 102km away
  • Great Barrier Island is a drive plus 4-hour ferry ride away

Realistically (but completely non-scientifically), there is arguably more chance of someone at Pokeno being infected than either of the above two "Auckland" places, or even Albany/Orewa/Warkworth.  Any isolation area is going to have a level of arbitrariness, I think we just have to trust that the best compromise is being reached


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  #2656856 15-Feb-2021 16:14
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@kiwifidget just received:

"Update on Auckland checkpoints"

Police have been pleased with the public’s response so far following a change in Alert Levels overnight.

While there have been some expected delays, Police report the public have been cooperative and understanding.

Eight checkpoints were set up around Auckland’s regional boundaries as the Alert Level 3 restrictions came into effect at midnight.

Police are in the process of setting up additional checkpoints, and refining the location of existing checkpoints to ensure they are as close as possible to the boundary. These will all be in place by 6:00pm this evening, and will remain in place until midnight Wednesday 17 February.

The current three existing checkpoints north of Auckland will be relocated back to the same five locations from the last regional lockdown in 2020.

All other checkpoints will remain in their current positions however this is being regularly reviewed and assessed.

By 6:00pm tonight the checkpoints will be confirmed at the following locations:

Northern
• SH1/Mangawhai Road (Twin Coast Discovery Highway)
• Mangawhai Road / north of Coal Hill Road
• Black Swamp, west of Rako Road
• Mangawhai Road and Cames Road
• Mangawhai Road and Ryan Road
Note: Mangawhai Road also known as Twin Coast Discovery Highway

Southern
• Mercer off ramp / Koheroa Road – (South bound traffic on SH1 and Mercy Ferry road).
• SH1 / Oram Road – (North bound traffic on SH1)
• Mangatawhiri Road / Koheroa Road / SH2 off ramp (All East and West Bound traffic)
• East Coast Road (Waharau Regional Park)
• Pukekawa-Churchill / Highway 22 and Highway 22 / Logan Road
• Tuakau Bridge-Port Waikato Road intersection with Klondyke Road




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  #2656857 15-Feb-2021 16:17
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Oblivian:

 

Just not convinced it's as black and white as that yet.

 

There tends to be 2 lots of teams involved with the servicing. And a dirty/clean side to tend with. And until they dig further it may not be clear. Or even if it is stuff off an aircraft.

 

You have the clearing of aircraft - which you would hope was controlled. Then you have the processing of those products. Then likely the re-distribution of those (if it's that sort of thing). And who they contract out to is also not clear. Too many big holes

 

 

Well there we go. Father/C is definitely later infection. Focus on A+B

 

Checking GLOBAL genomic B117 variant hits for a potential link (hopefully everyone is doing all positives now, not just sampling. But have doubts) and re-checking local B117's to make sure their no-link is correct.


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  #2656866 15-Feb-2021 16:34
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shk292:

 

If we assume the airport is the centre of infection:

 

  • Pokeno is 40km away
  • Wellsford is 102km away
  • Great Barrier Island is a drive plus 4-hour ferry ride away

Realistically (but completely non-scientifically), there is arguably more chance of someone at Pokeno being infected than either of the above two "Auckland" places, or even Albany/Orewa/Warkworth.  Any isolation area is going to have a level of arbitrariness, I think we just have to trust that the best compromise is being reached

 

 

What you want is the "inter-personal" (my word for it, I don't know what the scientific word would be) distance... the number of people who go from Pokeno/Wellsford/Great Barrier/Albany/Orewa/Warkworth to the airport and vice versa each day. Physical distance is probably a very rough approximation of this, in that they tend to live near where they work, and home and work are where they mostly interact with others.

 

 


 
 
 

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  #2656867 15-Feb-2021 16:35
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@stu  thanks for that, I feel for the poor buggers out at Port Waikato, looks like they are stranded this time around.





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  #2656868 15-Feb-2021 16:38
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Stu: @kiwifidget just received:

"Update on Auckland checkpoints"

Police have been pleased with the public’s response so far following a change in Alert Levels overnight.

While there have been some expected delays, Police report the public have been cooperative and understanding.

Eight checkpoints were set up around Auckland’s regional boundaries as the Alert Level 3 restrictions came into effect at midnight.

Police are in the process of setting up additional checkpoints, and refining the location of existing checkpoints to ensure they are as close as possible to the boundary. These will all be in place by 6:00pm this evening, and will remain in place until midnight Wednesday 17 February.

The current three existing checkpoints north of Auckland will be relocated back to the same five locations from the last regional lockdown in 2020.

All other checkpoints will remain in their current positions however this is being regularly reviewed and assessed.

By 6:00pm tonight the checkpoints will be confirmed at the following locations:

Northern
• SH1/Mangawhai Road (Twin Coast Discovery Highway)
• Mangawhai Road / north of Coal Hill Road
• Black Swamp, west of Rako Road
• Mangawhai Road and Cames Road
• Mangawhai Road and Ryan Road
Note: Mangawhai Road also known as Twin Coast Discovery Highway

Southern
• Mercer off ramp / Koheroa Road – (South bound traffic on SH1 and Mercy Ferry road).
• SH1 / Oram Road – (North bound traffic on SH1)
• Mangatawhiri Road / Koheroa Road / SH2 off ramp (All East and West Bound traffic)
• East Coast Road (Waharau Regional Park)
• Pukekawa-Churchill / Highway 22 and Highway 22 / Logan Road
• Tuakau Bridge-Port Waikato Road intersection with Klondyke Road

 

 

 

Good news that the police are moving their checkpoints to match with the the boundaries defined in the health order, But a pity they weren't matched from the start.

 

Would have caused a lot of confusion for those in the likes of Kaiwaka & Mangawhai...


  #2656877 15-Feb-2021 16:47
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Scott3:

 

Negative press starting to roll in re the checkpoints north of auckland.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/confusion-reigns-in-northland-on-alert-levels-and-borders/N3QU23RORDWLL4GWVCONHKYEGM/

 

In Short, the government Covid-19 website has the area covered by level 3 in orange on the below map, and the main police checkpoint northbound is set up where circled. 

 

The Likes of Kawaka is in level 2, but south of the boundary. The article makes it sound like the police are blocking lawful travel within level 2 area's. Pretty bad look for the police if this is the case.

 

 

 

PM just said at press conference that Police are going to move the northern roadblock back to where it was last time

 

 


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sbiddle:

 

GV27:

 

Still keen to know how someone supposedly tested fortnightly, and who returned (not was tested, but returned a result, so possibly tested at least a day beforehand) a result on the 17th but was working up to the 5th without being retested, and why they were not tested between 31/01 and 5/02 when they were last reported to be at work. 

 

 

She was on holiday when she was supposed to be tested.. And quite simply wasn't retested when she went back to work.

 

This really does show major failings still with our testing/monitoring regime. This specific issue and the failings was discussed in the Roche/Simpson report released by the Govt on right on Xmas, and it seems many things in the report are still not complete.

 

Why are we still only (very slowly) starting trials of saliva testing now for example? This should be a key part of a monitoring system like it is overseas - is is not a replacement for PCR testing, but is complimentary because it can allow non intrusive daily testing of key front line border and MIQ staff.

 

 

 

 

Yes agree. But the testing is just the belts to the braces, so it appears there are other failings here. The 14 days isolation from one another is the key thing. The fact that they can't link it back to a case in MIQ could show a hole in the systems somewhere. It could be someone who just transited through NZ and staying up to 24 hours in NZ airside before heading to another country etc. It could also always be an outlier who didn't become contagious and didn't test positive, until after they had left MIQ, and may still not have any symptoms, but are able to spread it. We don't know. Except it came through the border somewhere, and that is a failing with a process somewhere. We have  plugged other holes when there are failings that have been identified,  but the problem is finding where that hole actually is. Hope we don't get the old 'it's a tricky virus' quote again.  Prof Baker didn't think it was very likely it had come from washing. Seems a similar situation to last years cold store outbreak, where there is no direct tie, but some unlikely links. But yes the more testing that goes on the better, amoungst staff working around the border. I do recall last year there was a positive case with a maintenance worker, who never came into contact with any of the people in MIQ, but thy believed he may have got it using a lift that an infected person used. It feels like it was just a matter of time before the UK strain got in an did this. Guessing there will be another review into the border and MIQ and what has and hasn't been done since the last one, and why.


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  #2656950 15-Feb-2021 19:32
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Scott3:

 

Good news that the police are moving their checkpoints to match with the the boundaries defined in the health order, But a pity they weren't matched from the start.

 

Would have caused a lot of confusion for those in the likes of Kaiwaka & Mangawhai...

 

 

Not like the Police to "interpret" legislation with some imagination if it suits their purposes /sarc


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  #2657148 15-Feb-2021 21:51
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Press release:

 

 

The first batch of COVID-19 vaccine arrived in New Zealand this morning, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has confirmed.

 

The shipment of around 60,000 doses arrived as airfreight at Auckland International Airport at 9.34am today.

 

“The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine’s arrival allows us to start New Zealand’s largest-ever immunisation programme,” Jacinda Ardern said.

 

“Between now and when the vaccination programme starts, quality assurance, and checks by Medsafe and the pharmaceutical company will be undertaken.

 

“We expect to start vaccinating border and MIQ workers in Auckland this Saturday. The more than 30,000 courses will be more than enough to vaccinate this group of workers over the coming 2-3 weeks.

 

“Our border workforce such as cleaners, the nurses who undertake health checks in MIQ, security staff, customs and border officials, airline staff and hotel workers have worked tirelessly to keep all New Zealanders safe and will rightly be first to receive the vaccine.

 

“We know they’re most at-risk of coming into contact with the virus and that’s why we’re targeting them first, as it will also help prevent COVID-19 entering our communities,” Jacinda Ardern said.

 

COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said that since arriving this morning, the shipment has had further checks to confirm it has arrived safely and intact, and has been kept at the correct temperature during its flight here - it must be stored at -70 degrees Celsius.

 

“This has been completed and the vaccine has been formally transferred to our ownership and has been transferred to our new ultra-low temperature storage facility in Auckland,” Chris Hipkins said. 

 

“We’re expecting further shipments of vaccine over coming weeks and will receive about 225,000 vaccine courses by the end of March.

 

“As these batches arrive, we’ll vaccinate border workers’ household contacts, then the next group will be many frontline healthcare and essential workers, plus those most at risk from COVID-19, such as older people or those with medical conditions that make them vulnerable if infected.

 

“This is another important step in the roll out of New Zealand’s vaccination programme and our efforts to keep New Zealanders safe from COVID,” Chris Hipkins said.

 





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  #2657282 16-Feb-2021 08:39
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Interestingly - if we start our roll out on Saturday as planned, we will actually beat Australia to the punch on starting vaccinations. And we have a better per capita quantity to kick off with

 

 

 

COVID-19 vaccines touch down in Australia, New Zealand, inoculations to start

 

 

 

 

“The Eagle has landed,” Australian Health Minister Greg Hunt told reporters in Canberra on Monday as the first shipment of 142,000 doses of the vaccine developed by Pfizer Inc and Germany’s BioNTech touched down.

 

Vaccination in Australia will start from Feb. 22.

 

In New Zealand, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the first batch of 60,000 Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines had arrived and would undergo safety checks before border workers start receiving vaccinations from Saturday.

 

 

 

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  #2657299 16-Feb-2021 09:13
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-heartened-so-far-papatoetoe-high-school-tests-due-today/

 

I don't understand why it takes so long to test 42 people. They identified who they are, get the swap, blood sample, ect. Process as first priority and results within few hours. why it takes ages?





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