2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2680588 25-Mar-2021 17:26

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afe66: Jab next week.
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Will be interesting to see the processes of mass jabs.

Had mine today. I wouldn't call it mass vaccination at the moment. If a supermarket represents a mass amount then this was more like a visit to the dairy

Seems a little silly that hospital staff have to leave the hospital walk 1km to vaccinations though.

From start to stop will take an hour having to get changed, walk, jab then walk back and get changed again.

Influenza jabs just walk to staff cafe and get jabbed and back to work 20min tops.

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#2680618 25-Mar-2021 18:42

wellygary:

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I think the bus issue is either overblown. Everyone in MIQ is assumed to be potentially infected and measures should reflect that situation. Protocols around any bus journey, not just for exercise, should reflect that risk. Knowing someone is infected presents no more risk than those who may equally be infected but not yet detected.

yeah, the bus thing is bit of manufactured outrage- ( although the extra 14 days for the close contacts is a bit of a bugger)

The infected person was infected while they were on the bus going TO the exercise area, so even if they were transported FROM the area by teleport. after they got their positive result . the other bus passengers would still be subject to the same restrictions,

If they had the same allocated seating there and back, it would not have mattered if they got their positive result at the park or after they got back... the backwards tracing would result in the same restrictions....

I don't think it is a manufactured outage. Yes those other people on the bus are going to face the same restrictions, but by being on the bus for the return journey they've now faced double the exposure time which significantly increased the chances of being infected. People sat in different places on the way there and the way back.

There are also aspects of exercise that also increase that risk - if people are (for example) still breathing heavily after exercise then they increase the risk of them causing droplet spread. There was no allocated seating on the bus. People sat in different places on the way there and the way back.

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#2680813 25-Mar-2021 23:18

Outbreak: the virus that shook the world

(Tvnz) was a good watch.

To the point. Scientists and medical staff. Showing the shortfalls and explaining in simple terms what was and wss not done well.
Shame how far along we are and being british that noone like america would take notice of it.

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#2680839 26-Mar-2021 06:39

not all of South Auckland getting jab in first phase

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/124651526/covid19-people-100km-from-latest-outbreak-get-jabs-before-those-in-next-suburb-over

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#2680849 26-Mar-2021 07:14

Covid was in NZ earlier than they thought, so they think

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-virus-was-in-nz-earlier-than-first-thought/JRUTQWAWGNKWRKGXAL5AZQFZNI/

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#2680853 26-Mar-2021 07:20

afe66: Jab next week.
Front line health worker.
Will be interesting to see the processes of mass jabs.

I had mine a few weeks ago, was a pretty drawn out process. about 30 minutes all up including the 20min wait at the end. lots of admin.

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#2680908 26-Mar-2021 09:41

Batman: Covid was in NZ earlier than they thought, so they think

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-virus-was-in-nz-earlier-than-first-thought/JRUTQWAWGNKWRKGXAL5AZQFZNI/

The original article is open access:

https://www.nzma.org.nz/journal-articles/keeping-up-with-covid-identification-of-new-zealands-earliest-known-cluster-of-covid-19-cases-open-access

My comment:

The D614G strain was just emerging and not the dominant strain at the time he was probably first infected. The new strain was more infectious and the arrival of it correlated with observing loss a of sense of smell as a symptom - and subsequent use of that as a screening tool (before PCR testing capacity ramped up).

So if he'd been infected with the less contagious original strain, that might partly explain why the case didn't turn into a major CT cluster and also could explain why he didn't meet criteria for testing, despite having other "flu-like" symptoms, they don't mention whether he'd lost sense of smell.

By the time his long past infection was confirmed by a weak PCR, whole genome testing wasn't possible, so the above can't be known, it's pure speculation.

The article recommends that serology testing be used in combination with PCR to better "age" weak positive cases to make an assessment as to whether the case may be infectious.

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#2680915 26-Mar-2021 09:58

Batman:

not all of South Auckland getting jab in first phase

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/124651526/covid19-people-100km-from-latest-outbreak-get-jabs-before-those-in-next-suburb-over

Auckland University associate dean Pacific Dr Collin Tukuitonga agreed the boundaries should be moved. He suggested the Government had adopted a “simple” approach to a nuanced problem.

Can't disagree with that based on the content of the article. OTOH is "Keep It Simple Stupid" by using existing DHB boundaries good enough - compared with a complex solution which might give a result closer to perfection but potentially adds confusion? That's a question - I don't have an answer - I have no idea. I expect some people will be tearing their hair out.

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#2680918 26-Mar-2021 10:00

Jase2985:

afe66: Jab next week.
Front line health worker.
Will be interesting to see the processes of mass jabs.

I had mine a few weeks ago, was a pretty drawn out process. about 30 minutes all up including the 20min wait at the end. lots of admin.

I can only assume you are joking - to describe a visit to get a vaccination as drawn out when it only took about 30 minutes is surprising. I would say if it only took about 30 minutes (including the wait required after the vaccination of 20 minutes) then the process is very efficient.

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#2680922 26-Mar-2021 10:11

afe66:

Seems a little silly that hospital staff have to leave the hospital walk 1km to vaccinations though.

From start to stop will take an hour having to get changed, walk, jab then walk back and get changed again.

Influenza jabs just walk to staff cafe and get jabbed and back to work 20min tops.

Would the reasoning for that possibly be that as the vaccination programme ramps up, then you don't want large crowds of people gathering in a hospital setting - especially if there's an outbreak of CT and subsequent alert level changes? So set up the vaccination centres away from hospitals. I hope they think about car parking at vaccination centres. If people can't get a park, some won't turn up for their appointments. Not endorsing them doing that - but it is what it is.

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#2680956 26-Mar-2021 10:57

Possibly due to not wanting to relocate everything (freezers/PC/etc etc) when the mass vaccination roles out.
I believe Dunedin's vaccination center for example is in the Meridian Mall in the center of town so lots of free parking and convenient location.

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#2680960 26-Mar-2021 11:00

KrazyKid:

Possibly due to not wanting to relocate everything (freezers/PC/etc etc) when the mass vaccination roles out.
I believe Dunedin's vaccination center for example is in the Meridian Mall in the center of town so lots of free parking and convenient location.

Dunners is quite a vibrant town, always plenty of people in town, sholud go well

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#2681108 26-Mar-2021 14:52

Oblivian: Outbreak: the virus that shook the world

(Tvnz) was a good watch.

To the point. Scientists and medical staff. Showing the shortfalls and explaining in simple terms what was and wss not done well.
Shame how far along we are and being british that noone like america would take notice of it.

It was interesting viewing.

The bit that got me was, and I know it's a vast, populous country, that there are 44,000 live animal markets in China ( who knows about wider Asia). Corona viruses will keep coming at us while these markets are up and running. (Then there's the animal cruelty but that's another topic altogether.)

Did Eric Clapton really think she looked wonderful...or was it after the 15th outfit she tried on and he just wanted to get to the party and get a drink?

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#2681115 26-Mar-2021 15:00

Zoonotic (animal to human) transmission is downright scary. I know its not a popular opinion, but the way humanity treats and uses animals is a recipe for disaster - factory farming, wild animal markets, etc etc. Think about a lot of the recent scares (SARS, H1N1, bird flu, MERS, Covid) which are all zoonotic in origin, and something like 75% of emerging infectious diseases are zoonotic in origin.

In other news, community case in Queensland with unknown origin (ie actual community transmission). No lockdown or other response at the moment but contact tracing underway and social distancing/masks encouraged.

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#2681117 26-Mar-2021 15:03

Queensland has a new CT case from an unknown source and has been infectious for a week...

https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/live-breaking-news-joe-bidens-weird-response-to-gun-question/live-coverage/f34974a31a528776d286187d48900557

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