2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2682002 28-Mar-2021 13:28

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Things to do while waiting for your virus test result.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-27/queensland-coronavirus-new-covid-cases/100030522

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Brisbane man who tested positive to coronavirus partied with friends while waiting for his result
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Depends on what instructions that were given

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#2682005 28-Mar-2021 13:37

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-28/covid-live-updates-coronavirus-queensland-brisbane/100033302

Queensland has recorded three new cases of COVID-19, including a new case of community transmission, as police say reports of a man hosting 25 people at a party are inaccurate.

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#2682016 28-Mar-2021 14:41

You could try importing the russian vaccine for personal use. Don brash talking about it a while back. I suspect the russian/chinese vaccine will hit the private market before western ones.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/424755/covid-19-group-looks-to-import-russian-made-vaccine

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#2682018 28-Mar-2021 15:01

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https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/27/asia/papua-new-guinea-covid-outbreak-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

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#2682033 28-Mar-2021 15:52

Don't let this happen to us ...

The Daily Mail - Red tape farce of the German vaccination roll-out ...

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The vaccine roll-out in Germany has descended into chaos as it emerged that 80-year-olds have to fill in ten forms just to get the jab.

Angela Merkel's coalition government is facing increasing criticism over its handling of the coronavirus pandemic with its vaccination programme now faltering.

Europe's largest economy appears to be lagging behind with only 10 per cent of it's adult population having received their first dose of the vaccine as of this week. ...

Cardiologist Dr Joachim Wunderlich, who has helped at a vaccination centre in Berlin, says that the amount of paperwork involved is 'insane'.

'You can't expect an over-80-year-old to fill out 10 pages and numerous consent forms and ask them to call a hotline to make an appointment. And then they risk being turned away because they forgot some forms at home.'

Wunderlich continued: 'The pandemic is daunting enough, bureaucracy and data protection laws shouldn't make it even worse.' ...

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#2682081 28-Mar-2021 19:44

cruxis:

You could try importing the russian vaccine for personal use. Don brash talking about it a while back. I suspect the russian/chinese vaccine will hit the private market before western ones.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/424755/covid-19-group-looks-to-import-russian-made-vaccine

It can't be given here legally unless it's approved. The only approved vaccine in NZ is Pfizer - we didn't even give approval for the AstraZeneca even though our first Covax doses were due last week (which I assume have been redirected somewhere else).

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#2682089 28-Mar-2021 20:21

sbiddle:

cruxis:

You could try importing the russian vaccine for personal use. Don brash talking about it a while back. I suspect the russian/chinese vaccine will hit the private market before western ones.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/424755/covid-19-group-looks-to-import-russian-made-vaccine

It can't be given here legally unless it's approved. The only approved vaccine in NZ is Pfizer - we didn't even give approval for the AstraZeneca even though our first Covax doses were due last week (which I assume have been redirected somewhere else).

https://www.healthnavigator.org.nz/medicines/u/unapproved-medicines/#:~:text=Section%2029%20of%20the%20Medicines,name%20and%20place%20of%20supply.

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#2682091 28-Mar-2021 20:29

cshwone:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-28/covid-live-updates-coronavirus-queensland-brisbane/100033302

Queensland has recorded three new cases of COVID-19, including a new case of community transmission, as police say reports of a man hosting 25 people at a party are inaccurate.

1 is the 26 year old landscaper from Stafford. Genomic sequencing links to the PA doctor recently.

1 is the brother of the above who has fully recovered and likely gave it to him and the next case. Negative PCR but positive serology. Tracers working to discover the epidemiological link to him and the PA doctor previously reported positive.

1 is the Strathpine man that reportedly had a party but turns out it's basically his housemates.

Previous cases were the returned traveller that infected another returned traveller and the PA doctor.

Well done to Queensland for evolving in their response and not locking down like they did over the previous B117 variant linked to the border in January. Instead it's the usual restrictions for hospitals, aged care, disability facilities, corrections etc. Recommended the vulnerable self quarantine for 72hrs while they sort this issue, but everyone else, go enjoy the outdoors.

Last August after Melbourne seeding they traced down to zero in an open economy with some restrictions including the above and I'm hopeful they'll be just as successful this time around.

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#2682101 28-Mar-2021 20:44

sorry what does PA stand for?

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#2682106 28-Mar-2021 21:04

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#2682211 28-Mar-2021 22:25

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Police who are involved with MIQ and/or at the border have already been vaccinated.

With your comments in mind what are your thought on the proposed rollout for Fire & Emergency? Initially it seemed that all people within the organisation would be part of the group 2 rollout, but it now seems that the MoH want to prioritise this to staff / brigades that are medical co-responders first, and seemingly those in areas that are higher risk such as Christchurch, Wellington and Auckland where permanent crews would attend any alarm activations or incidents at a MIQ facility. Outside this others may fall way down the list and possibly not even be prioritised.

My interest in this is because I'm a volunteer - and I see the MoH focus solely from the medical perspective an interesting one. If there is another case of CT that was more widespread fire trucks still need to go to calls, and as much as you're trying to limit interaction with members of the public, you've still got the scenario of volunteers in particular who are still members of society who are out and about.

When you look at pretty much every recent CT case in NZ over the past 6 months most people have not suffered any health issues that would require them to call an ambulance for assistance (which could also mean a big red truck turns up if an ambulance is delayed), but it's been people who have been living normally who have suddenly found they've tested positive after minor symptoms, or even no issues at all. While the MoH focus on the risk of attending a medical call, it could very easily be something as simple as a fire alarm at a school or a gym that sees FENZ crews being unwittingly exposed.

No matter how how we prioritise things there are always going to be so many edge cases..

I support all emergency services front liners being vaccinated in tier 2a or 2b (alongside healthcare workers). In the event of a major incident at an airport or MIQ facility, any or all emergency services could be called in. Best to give them the best protection available.

We are in the fortunate position of having enough vaccines to fully vaccinate everybody in tier 1 & 2a at the moment, and in just over a month should have enough to do tier 2b also, assuming vaccines keep flowing at cira 60k a week.

One of the key decisions underlining it is what to prioritize:

People who could potentially exposed to covid-19 in with no community transmission - i.e. firefighters who may be called to a MIQ facility.
Preparation for a community outbreak - Those most likely to die from covid-19

Given we will still need to deal with community outbreaks via the alert levels, i would favor the first option.

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#2682216 28-Mar-2021 22:42

All the worry about prioritization really misses the point. Edge cases absolutely don't matter.

What matters is getting the vaccination program ramped up and vaccinations happening at scale. If one group gets vaccinated a month after another, who really cares? There will always be cases of vaccinated people getting infected as there will be cases of those who don't get vaccinated never getting sick.

For vaccination to be effective you need large numbers to get vaccinated, not to stress out about whether asthmatics or police are more worthy.

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#2682221 28-Mar-2021 23:16

Handle9: All the worry about prioritization really misses the point. Edge cases absolutely don't matter.

What matters is getting the vaccination program ramped up and vaccinations happening at scale. If one group gets vaccinated a month after another, who really cares? There will always be cases of vaccinated people getting infected as there will be cases of those who don't get vaccinated never getting sick.

For vaccination to be effective you need large numbers to get vaccinated, not to stress out about whether asthmatics or police are more worthy.

We are many months away from having enough of the population vaccinated, to affect our response to community outbreaks.

If the Ministry of health wasn't stockpiling hundreds of thousands of doses to avoid our vaccination rates being like a roller coaster (nuts if you ask me. No issue with riding the roller coaster), then our roll out would be vaccine supply constrained. Opening the vaccination's to the general public wouldn't see materially more jabs delivered than currently.

Also for the likes of the police, if they aren't prioritized, potentially they are waiting cira 6 months, for their turn in the general public roll out (July - Dec, I imagine appointments in the first two - three months will be extremely hard to get)

But going back to my second line, what is the ministry of health up to? we have enough vaccines in storage to do the likes of medical front liners (who may contract covid-19 in their role). Why aren't we using them yet?

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#2682222 28-Mar-2021 23:21

Someone here said front liner getting his jab next week

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#2682230 29-Mar-2021 01:16

Scott3:

Handle9: All the worry about prioritization really misses the point. Edge cases absolutely don't matter.

What matters is getting the vaccination program ramped up and vaccinations happening at scale. If one group gets vaccinated a month after another, who really cares? There will always be cases of vaccinated people getting infected as there will be cases of those who don't get vaccinated never getting sick.

For vaccination to be effective you need large numbers to get vaccinated, not to stress out about whether asthmatics or police are more worthy.

We are many months away from having enough of the population vaccinated, to affect our response to community outbreaks.

If the Ministry of health wasn't stockpiling hundreds of thousands of doses to avoid our vaccination rates being like a roller coaster (nuts if you ask me. No issue with riding the roller coaster), then our roll out would be vaccine supply constrained. Opening the vaccination's to the general public wouldn't see materially more jabs delivered than currently.

Also for the likes of the police, if they aren't prioritized, potentially they are waiting cira 6 months, for their turn in the general public roll out (July - Dec, I imagine appointments in the first two - three months will be extremely hard to get)

But going back to my second line, what is the ministry of health up to? we have enough vaccines in storage to do the likes of medical front liners (who may contract covid-19 in their role). Why aren't we using them yet?

You can prioritize whoever you like, it doesn't make a huge amount of difference, especially in a population without covid. There will be lots of whataboutisms about who gets chosen first but it doesn't make a huge difference. If the police had to wait 6 months it doesn't make much difference but neither does prioritising them.

The only thing that really matters is getting as many vaccinations delivered as possible. That gives actual protection to the general population and dramatically slows down transmission.

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