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  #2688187 8-Apr-2021 10:00
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frankv:

 

Fred99:

 

You probably shouldn't shouldn't ramp up first dose rollout until sufficient vaccine for second dose is shipped, or if that goes awry you'll be stuck with a large number of people in the population with unknown immunity, which would be a huge spanner in the works for any "exit plan".

 

 

Are there any stats on the efficacy of the second dose versus the time between the two doses? Will it be better or worse if the second dose is administered (say) 30 days after the first, and by how much?

 

IIRC, single dose efficacy is about 70%? So, although it's not as good as two doses, it's better than nothing.

 

i.e. can we just get lots of first doses administered, even if that means there's some delays in getting the second dose done?

 

 

 

 

I don't know.  I think the peak efficacy of the single dose of Pfizer is actually much higher than 70% - IIRC about 90%.  But without large enough human trials then efficacy over a period of time isn't known - it could be just short term and not good enough. With the trials which have been done based on the two dose regimen, they'd need to test using a different regimen to know efficacy, but also side effects.

 

You could "short cut" human trials to look at antibody neutralisation (in vitro), but assuming that those results correlate with real immunity is making assumptions - which could be dangerous.

 

If I was to make a guess, I'd say 3 weeks or 6 weeks gap probably makes no difference, it might be even better with a longer gap, but I'm definitely not an expert, and I doubt that experts know. 

 

When you're mass vaccinating (close to) an entire population - then throwing them to the wolves so to speak by "opening up" with an exit plan, you'd want to be very confident you've got things right.




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  #2688193 8-Apr-2021 10:11
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BUT what I do think is that bureaucracies dislike sunlight, and politicians should be ensuring we have an open and transparent civil service....

 

 

Sure I agree.  But there are third parties involved - the privately owned pharmaceutical companies with whom our government must negotiate.  Those pharma companies have commercial pressures to consider as well as being subject to intense geo-political pressure.

 

I think that's probably behind the lack of full information we're seeing.  How secure will our future deliveries look if the NZ Government made the public statement "Pfizer is letting us down". 

 

 


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  #2688267 8-Apr-2021 11:23
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Fred99:

 

How secure will our future deliveries look if the NZ Government made the public statement "Pfizer is letting us down". 

 

 

How secure are our future deliveries if big pharma can change things willy-nilly, *because* there's no visibility of their behaviour?

 

 




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  #2688278 8-Apr-2021 11:45
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Unscheduled 1pm presser announced by MOH. 

 

NZ Herald reporting it to be a border worker, and no evidence of community transmission.


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  #2688280 8-Apr-2021 11:49
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antonknee:

 

Unscheduled 1pm presser announced by MOH. 

 

NZ Herald reporting it to be a border worker, and no evidence of community transmission.

 

 

As the Journos are opining, 

 

The Bad News: Dr Bloomfield is giving a presser at the MoH

 

The Good News: It is only Dr Bloomfield at the MoH,  not at the Beehive with the PM or Chris Hipkins...


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  #2688294 8-Apr-2021 12:15
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Got my first jab today. Was pretty painless except for the drive to Highbrook and the waiting around. 

 

I not only did it for myself, but more for the people who cannot have the vaccine for genuine and legitimate health reasons. My view is that anyone who fails to follow the same logic, is a dick. 

 

 


 
 
 

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  #2688317 8-Apr-2021 13:19
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frankv:

 

Are there any stats on the efficacy of the second dose versus the time between the two doses? Will it be better or worse if the second dose is administered (say) 30 days after the first, and by how much?

 

IIRC, single dose efficacy is about 70%? So, although it's not as good as two doses, it's better than nothing.

 

i.e. can we just get lots of first doses administered, even if that means there's some delays in getting the second dose done?

 

 

iirc the need for the second dose is not for the short term efficacy, it is to achieve T cell memory for longer term cover. for how long nobody knows yet but we will in the fullness of time


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  #2688318 8-Apr-2021 13:22
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antonknee:

 

Unscheduled 1pm presser announced by MOH. 

 

NZ Herald reporting it to be a border worker, and no evidence of community transmission.

 

 

lemme guess ... they haven't found a way to vaccinate them border workers yet?


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  #2688322 8-Apr-2021 13:28
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Batman:

 

antonknee:

 

Unscheduled 1pm presser announced by MOH. 

 

NZ Herald reporting it to be a border worker, and no evidence of community transmission.

 

 

lemme guess ... they haven't found a way to vaccinate them border workers yet?

 

 

Security guard. (one would hope the sole assignment...)

 

Apparently not a case of 'fell through the cracks'. But rather, dunno why - But logistically they had not had first dose yet.

 

So no. That does not bode well


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  #2688323 8-Apr-2021 13:41
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Seriously... Somebody whether they be a Govt minister, or senior management inside the MoH, NZDF or MBIE, somebody *has* to fall on the sword for this. It is simply inexcusible that we still have MIQ workers who are not vaccinated, and even worse don't even know how many there could be.

 

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  #2688342 8-Apr-2021 14:04
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"The border worker, a security contractor, would have been offered a vaccination but Bloomfield did not have details on why he had not been. His understanding was the man had not declined a vaccination. The vaccination rate of border workers was about 95 per cent, he said."

 

Yep, and this person is the 5% left out.





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  #2688343 8-Apr-2021 14:08
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I had my first jab more than 5 weeks ago and the second 3 weeks later.
At the time of the first one, I registered all my household contacts. They are in the next highest priority, but so far from the MoH......’crickets’. Asking around work colleagues, no-one in their households have been contacted yet. And the fact they have closed some of the original vaccination centres doesn’t fill me with confidence that the are going to come anywhere near their initial targets. With a supposed 90000 jabs having been administered (according the Stuart Nash) to 95% of 16000 frontline people (according to Bloomfield) where have the other 60000 jabs gone?

 

I was told by my boss when discussing scheduling my jabs that there needed to be a minimum of 3 weeks and a maximum of 6 between jabs (otherwise you start over). I haven’t been able to verify this from any official source.





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  #2688344 8-Apr-2021 14:09
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PM is due to hold a presser later today on enhanced requirements/possible restrictions on travellers from "high risk" countries... 

 

She had  better have been briefed a bit more on this case and the background to why they are not immunised, because I am sure questions will come up...


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  #2688357 8-Apr-2021 14:44
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Hopefully it will be to announce a dedicated facility for high risk arrivals that isn’t in the centre of our largest city.





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