2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2706452 12-May-2021 10:12

Despite the media reporting "no change" in the status of the T/T bubble, last night a S.70 notice was issued requiring anyone who had visited the VIC places of interest to isolate and get a test...

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-response-planning/covid-19-epidemic-notice-and-orders#section70

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#2706495 12-May-2021 11:32

sbiddle:

I also don't understand why we're not vaccinating everybody arriving into MIQ on their first day - likewise I believe every person leaving NZ who will be returning should be entitled to be vaccinated before they travel.

The "herding cats" comment made by @handle above probably applies to this as well. Throw in to the mix that some will have been partly vaccinated, some will claim to have been already vaccinated, some will probably arrive with fake test or vaccination certificates, long-haul flights are a great place to get infected, and the first dose of vaccine probably doesn't generate sufficient immunity to be of much use over the 14 days in MIQ.

If you could make it a requirement to vaccinate every traveller entering to have at least one shot of Pfizer two weeks before flying, that'd work pretty well - but the logistics of doing that probably make it impossible.

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#2706504 12-May-2021 11:48

WHO classified the B1617 strain as a "variant of concern", so that's official. I think it was specifically the B1617.2 variant, with higher transmissibility and reduced neutralisation (compared to what? - other variants or original "wild" C-19?). WHO press conference on Monday confirmed this, said "data coming tomorrow" - good luck finding that data on WHO's website - if it's even there.

WRT to the recent Sydney cases, IIRC the premier stated that if those B1617 cases had been a "variant of concern" (which B1617 wasn't at the time), then she would have ordered a full lockdown. With repatriation flights from India, travellers are going to arrive for MIQ in a repurposed mining camp outside Darwin, they're not going to be put in MIQ in major centres.

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#2706507 12-May-2021 11:55

Fred99:
With repatriation flights from India, travellers are going to arrive for MIQ in a repurposed mining camp

It's not the one at Wolf Creek is it?

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#2706510 12-May-2021 12:03

neb:
Fred99:

With repatriation flights from India, travellers are going to arrive for MIQ in a repurposed mining camp

It's not the one at Wolf Creek is it?

Pretty sure they are going to Howard Springs in NT... isn't Wolf creek in WA?

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#2706518 12-May-2021 12:15

wellygary:
Pretty sure they are going to Howard Springs in NT... isn't Wolf creek in WA?

It was a reference to this :-).

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#2706541 12-May-2021 13:00

Scott3:
Handle9:

Herding cats is probably easier to manage

Probably this.

Inevitable that some (many) passengers won't show for their Releases + 5 day test. Public expectation will be for near 100% testing, but that isn't going to happen.

Either the government will need to use charge people with breaching this condition, track them down, arrest them, and if they still refuse the test take them to court etc... Or they will turn a blind eye to those that don't show.

Both outcomes have the government & health officials coming off looking bad, especially the latter if somebody who doesn't take their 5 day test subsequently is found to be positive...

Or simply require a $1000 bond be paid before release. I bet most people will turn up to be tested rather that forfeit that much cash.

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#2706581 12-May-2021 14:08

debo:

Inevitable that some (many) passengers won't show for their Releases + 5 day test. Public expectation will be for near 100% testing, but that isn't going to happen.

Either the government will need to use charge people with breaching this condition, track them down, arrest them, and if they still refuse the test take them to court etc... Or they will turn a blind eye to those that don't show.

Both outcomes have the government & health officials coming off looking bad, especially the latter if somebody who doesn't take their 5 day test subsequently is found to be positive...

Or simply require a $1000 bond be paid before release. I bet most people will turn up to be tested rather that forfeit that much cash.

you cant make people take an evasive medical procedure, which is what the test is classed at. If people dont want to take the test then that is the end of it.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2706590 12-May-2021 14:19

Invasive.

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#2706597 12-May-2021 14:31

freitasm: Invasive.

I thought we were talking about people dodging the test? 🙃

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#2706614 12-May-2021 15:51

vexxxboy:
you cant make people take an evasive medical procedure, which is what the test is classed at. If people dont want to take the test then that is the end of it.

That's fine. The purpose is not to get 100% compliance but go from 0% testing that we are doing now to 99% testing. If some wants to go complain about it then let them go through and apply to get an exception. If they are successful then let them have their bond back. Alternately, they could get daily temperature checks instead of an "invasive medical procedure". It will be a lot less hassle for most people just to get a day 5 test.

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#2706616 12-May-2021 15:52

vexxxboy:

you cant make people take an [in]vasive medical procedure, which is what the test is classed at. If people dont want to take the test then that is the end of it.

They can be made to stay in MIQ, and to pay for it. Presumably they can be made to pay the likely or actual cost to us of them not getting the test?

Say the cost of an outbreak is $10M... if someone refuses testing and they actually cause an outbreak, they should be liable for the full cost. Of course, not many will be able to pay, so instead let's have a compulsory covid insurance scheme for the refuseniks... the premium = (cost of an outbreak) * (probability they cause it). So if the final test is expected to find the 1 in a 1000 who go through MIQ but still have covid (i.e. probability is 0.1% of a hit), then everyone who refuses that last test has to pay $10M*0.1% = $10,000. Seems fair to me.

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#2706622 12-May-2021 16:17

frankv:

Define "border worker". The example I saw on TV was an electrician? contractor who had worked in an MIQ hotel once in the past, and *might* work there sometime in the future. There will be a large number of these increasingly tenuous connections to the border. Whilst it would be a good idea to vaccinate them before their next visit, (a) there's a good chance that will happen anyway, and (b) their last visit occurred without them becoming infected, so their next visit can be handled the same way.

I fall into this hole too.

Occasional, (but when required can be frequent) visitor to hot zones. The big 'but' or gotcha here is the new rules on May 1 put a lot more of us in that boat automatically via the Government departmental rule - Not just a good idea, it's now a requirement

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-135-border-workers-miss-vaccine-deadline-will-be-redeployed/BZVWQRMHSF3WGUP3HVFBYISNLU/

https://covid19.govt.nz/updates-and-resources/latest-updates/all-miq-and-government-border-workers-vaccinated-by-1-may/

“To keep workers protected and our communities safe from transmission, all public and private MIQ workers, contractors and visitors (permanent and occasional) will, from 1 May, have to provide proof of vaccination each time they enter a facility.

In the one hand going. Hrm. I might be bumped up the list. On the other going, wonder what happens if I get a callout this week...

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#2706661 12-May-2021 19:18

no vaccination no entry into the facility.

All current workers must have had two doses of the vaccine by June 5, 2021.

New workers will need to have their first dose before starting work - they then have 35 days from starting work to receive their second dose.

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#2706674 12-May-2021 20:40

Sure, that's workers taken care of. Part of employment.

Contractors/visitors, however, likely basically joe blogs unless there's some sponsorship or agency is able to arrange on behalf (or should have prior to date) And imagine that's a case of good luck pleading case, stand inline behind the sports and singers.

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