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  #2730731 18-Jun-2021 16:04
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Batman: Case in Sydney from "fleeting contact"

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-new-restrictions-in-sydney-new-community-case/543PA4ADYNBWEHAH57H4YUGLZ4/

 


Hopefully none want to fleetingly visit Queenstown, Mt Hutt, Fieldays   etc




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  #2730795 18-Jun-2021 17:20
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ezbee:

 

Batman: Case in Sydney from "fleeting contact"

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-new-restrictions-in-sydney-new-community-case/543PA4ADYNBWEHAH57H4YUGLZ4/

 


Hopefully none want to fleetingly visit Queenstown, Mt Hutt, Fieldays   etc

 

 

Yep. Fleeting contact and high alert don't seem to be compatible. 


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  #2730805 18-Jun-2021 17:50
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sbiddle:

 

One other aspect I find interesting is the fact we're still going to stick to age groups for group 4. We know that variants like Delta are making younger people just as sick as older people. Once groups 1-3 are done surely there is some logic in simply vaccinating people at random say based on their birthday rather than still sticking to predefined age groups.

 

By leaving all the under 35's until last there is nothing to stop a breakout somewhere like university dorm or apartment complex full of younger people where the reality might be that only a very small percentage are vaccinated due to falling into groups 1-3 or being family contacts. If a breakout occurred in say early October surely we'd be better to have had ~30% of people at such a location vaccinated which would do a lot to limit CT rather than having the odd person vaccinated.

 

 

Simplicity outweighs other considerations. Once you are in to the mass vaccination phase it's much much easier to manage by age. The advertising is simple, it's a easy to understand and it's easy to explain. 

 

Once you are into that phase the real consideration is maintaining the daily number of vaccinations rather than who is being vaccinated. You can mop the edge cases up at the end but the most important thing is the number of vaccinations getting done each day.




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  #2730806 18-Jun-2021 17:51
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Batman: Case in Sydney from "fleeting contact"

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-new-restrictions-in-sydney-new-community-case/543PA4ADYNBWEHAH57H4YUGLZ4/

 

 

 

Not looking good. I am surprised NZ hasn't closed off that border yet. NZ is so vulnerable if we get cases into NZ, and if it can spread to Sydney, it can spread to NZ.

 

 

 

It is interesting in the US, as places are gong back to normal. No mask wearing or social distancing required at Disney parks anymore. Even in the UK it seems to be almost back to normal, while still living with the virus in the community. 

 

 

 

The concerning thing is that I suspect that a lot of NZers won't get immunisied. It isn't something that is really being discussed, but I have hear of quite a lot of people who have said they won't get it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2730808 18-Jun-2021 17:56
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The UK is far from normal and they have delayed further reopening until they get the Delta variant under control.

Single dose AZ isn't that effective against it which has been the backbone of their strategy.

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  #2730809 18-Jun-2021 17:59
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Handle9: The UK is far from normal and they have delayed further reopening until they get the Delta variant under control.

Single dose AZ isn't that effective against it which has been the backbone of their strategy.

 

 

 

I guess it depends where you are. I know someone who has tickets to Wimbledon this year, and they have said that things a going back to normal. Can now visit parents, go out to restaurants etc. But yes the trend of rising cases doesn't look good, and I wonder if that is partly due to some people refusing to be immunized? It doesn't seem to be such an issue in the US. 


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  #2730810 18-Jun-2021 18:05
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mattwnz:

Handle9: The UK is far from normal and they have delayed further reopening until they get the Delta variant under control.

Single dose AZ isn't that effective against it which has been the backbone of their strategy.


 


I guess it depends where you are. I know someone who has tickets to Wimbledon this year, and they have said that things a going back to normal. Can now visit parents, go out to restaurants etc. 



No it doesn't matter where you are (mostly, Wales and Scotland have slightly different rules).

They were reopening but have announced delays on further process until they get delta under control.

Wimbledon is being used as a pilot event, along with the NZ cricket test just finished and a number of other events. It's not open enmasse, and likely won't be for a while.

 
 
 

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  #2730814 18-Jun-2021 18:14
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34 (or was it 43),000 grp 4s already done

They've put that down to family of grp 3 at the time, or some centres to stop wastage.

Little do they know it's in some cases because noone was booked so noone to do. I guess that still stops wastage...

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  #2730830 18-Jun-2021 19:07
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mattwnz:

 

Batman: Case in Sydney from "fleeting contact"

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-new-restrictions-in-sydney-new-community-case/543PA4ADYNBWEHAH57H4YUGLZ4/

 

Not looking good. I am surprised NZ hasn't closed off that border yet. NZ is so vulnerable if we get cases into NZ, and if it can spread to Sydney, it can spread to NZ.

 

It is interesting in the US, as places are gong back to normal. No mask wearing or social distancing required at Disney parks anymore. Even in the UK it seems to be almost back to normal, while still living with the virus in the community. 

 

The concerning thing is that I suspect that a lot of NZers won't get immunisied. It isn't something that is really being discussed, but I have hear of quite a lot of people who have said they won't get it. 

 

 

don't worry about people not wanting to immunize. i thank them for sacrificing themselves for the good of humanity.

 

worry about things you can control. like getting the vaccine to people want to be vaccinated.


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  #2730884 18-Jun-2021 22:20
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so i recall last year "scientists" say it's not an accidental lab leak it's definitely from wild bats via some other intermediary

 

so now "scientists" say it's definitely the other way round

 

*yawn "scientists"

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-wuhan-lab-leak-evidence-overwhelming-scientists-say/6OCKGKKHQ6IF3VW5RU5QSLMIZI/

 

 


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  #2730887 18-Jun-2021 22:32
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so now "scientists" say it's definitely the other way round

 

 

You mean "two random gimps no-one has ever heard of say it's definitely the other way round". In particular it's an astrophysicist and the owner of some pharmaceuticals company, obviously world authorities on coronaviruses.

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  #2730906 19-Jun-2021 08:52
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A longitudinal study in the UK where they had access to pre-covid brain scans and scanned the same people post covid shows probable cause for neurological symptoms of Covid:

 

Here, we studied the effects of the disease in the brain using multimodal data from 782 participants from the UK Biobank COVID-19 re-imaging study, with 394 participants having tested positive for SARSCoV-2 infection between their two scans. We used structural and functional brain scans from before and after infection, to compare longitudinal brain changes between these 394 COVID19 patients and 388 controls who were matched for age, sex, ethnicity and interval between scans. We identified significant effects of COVID-19 in the brain with a loss of grey matter in the left parahippocampal gyrus, the left lateral orbitofrontal cortex and the left insula. When looking over the entire cortical surface, these results extended to the anterior cingulate cortex, supramarginal gyrus and temporal pole.

 

There are plenty of anecdotal reports of post-covid "brain fog" - as well as the common neurological symptoms, loss of taste and smell.

 

Loss of grey matter worryingly consistent between people who had "mild" covid - and "severe" Covid (requiring hospitalisation).

 

It's a "pre-print", but the study eliminates pre-existing conditions as a cause. and the number of participants was large. 

 

Best case scenario - people recover all lost function, in most cases sense of smell returns, but sense of smell is often reported to be "different" on recovery.

 

Worst case scenario - people don't fully recover at all and could be predisposed to get other neurological conditions, alzheimers, parkinsonism etc. 

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v1.full.pdf

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/new-covid-study-hints-at-long-term-loss-of-brain-tissue-dr-scott-gottlieb-warns.html

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2731008 19-Jun-2021 12:19
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Post-covid "brain fog"… loss of grey matter…

 

 

Everyday I remain more and more convinced our decision to pursue an elimination strategy and not let that spread here was the absolutely right call. Who knows just how bad so-called long COVID will turn out to be  

 

 


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  #2731089 19-Jun-2021 14:37
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It's a "pre-print", but the study eliminates pre-existing conditions as a cause. and the number of participants was large. 

 

 

This was already predicted before the current pandemic based on what happened during the 1918 pandemic. Brain tissue inflammation increases your chances of getting Parkinson's, and there was a two to three-fold increase in Parkinson's after that one, so it was expected there'd be a similar increase after the current one. What the new research is doing is confirming the predictions made based on the previous pandemic with current data.

 


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  #2731096 19-Jun-2021 15:36
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2 new cases in Sydney total 6

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/125498304/two-new-covid-cases-in-sydney-but-travel-bubble-remains-open

"MOH... Asked anyone at the Sydney locations of interest to follow NSW health advice regarding testing and isolation, “and must not travel to New Zealand within 14 days from when they were at the location”."

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