2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2732112 21-Jun-2021 16:11

Pfizer vaccine approved for 12-15 year olds in NZ

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-medsafe-approves-pfizer-vaccine-for-new-zealand-12-15-year-olds/3D2OPZZLOPOOMXY6LJT43Z4F2A/

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#2732120 21-Jun-2021 16:22

Jase2985:

sbiddle:

Sure it's complex.. But the MoH put out a health order that said everybody who walks onto the property of a MIQ facility has to have had both jabs from the 12th June. I would think the general public would assume right now that anybody doing so would be fully compliant with this requirement.

or a single jab and the second within 35 days for new workers

Actually I just checked and it was 5th June

Some people have interpreted the health order slightly differently but I believe the intention is that this applies to people working at the MIQ facility - ie a new hotel worker would need to have had their first jab before they could start, and then their second within 35 days. 3rd parties need to have had both jabs to enter.

And 3rd parties who need to enter a MIQ facility basically fall under the exemption category if they have not bad both jabs.

"An unvaccinated person may be permitted to enter and carry out work in a place covered by this Order, if the work is unanticipated, necessary and time-critical and cannot be carried out by a person who is vaccinated; and must be carried out to prevent the place from ceasing operations.

Exceptions in these circumstances may only be granted by the responsible government chief executive.

A person who is not vaccinated may enter a place without approval if they need to enter to preserve or protect a person’s life, health or safety in an emergency; or are authorised or required to by law"

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#2732124 21-Jun-2021 16:54

Batman:

Pfizer vaccine approved for 12-15 year olds in NZ

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-medsafe-approves-pfizer-vaccine-for-new-zealand-12-15-year-olds/3D2OPZZLOPOOMXY6LJT43Z4F2A/

Not unsurprising given approval in a number of similar jurisdictions,

Only problem is that we ain't got any spare Pfizer for them till post July...

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#2732193 21-Jun-2021 17:41

Batman:
Pfizer vaccine approved for 12-15 year olds in NZ

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-medsafe-approves-pfizer-vaccine-for-new-zealand-12-15-year-olds/3D2OPZZLOPOOMXY6LJT43Z4F2A/

Good thing too, there's concern in the UK about children becoming reservoir hosts if they're not vaccinated...

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#2732209 21-Jun-2021 18:19

It's still amazing to see the difference in attitude in Australia vs NZ at the speed of the vaccine rollout. Australia as a whole is very angry at the Govt for not having vaccines, and states like Victoria are even angrier.. Maybe somebody should brighten up their day and tell them they're still way ahead of NZ!

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#2732216 21-Jun-2021 18:31

sbiddle:

It's still amazing to see the difference in attitude in Australia vs NZ at the speed of the vaccine rollout. Australia as a whole is very angry at the Govt for not having vaccines, and states like Victoria are even angrier.. Maybe somebody should brighten up their day and tell them they're still way ahead of NZ!

Why is that amazing? Their government set totally unrealistic expectations and now can't figure out how to catch up to what they promised.

The NZ rollout is largely proceeding as promised.

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#2732222 21-Jun-2021 18:40

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Why is that amazing? Their government set totally unrealistic expectations and now can't figure out how to catch up to what they promised.

The NZ rollout is largely proceeding as promised.

You can't blame the Govt for a sustained mainstream media campaign from media on both sides of the Australian political divide that totally destroyed the credibility of the AZ vaccine and ensured that literally nobody wanted to get it.

Yes there are identified risks and something that's seemingly unique about Australia that's resulting in a higher incidence of blood clots than elsewhere in the world, but that could have been managed. Had it not been for the constant barrage of negative publicity that scared people into not getting it Australia would be a lot further down the vaccination path than what they are now.

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#2732223 21-Jun-2021 18:43

Handle9:
sbiddle:

It's still amazing to see the difference in attitude in Australia vs NZ at the speed of the vaccine rollout. Australia as a whole is very angry at the Govt for not having vaccines, and states like Victoria are even angrier.. Maybe somebody should brighten up their day and tell them they're still way ahead of NZ!

Why is that amazing? Their government set totally unrealistic expectations and now can't figure out how to catch up to what they promised.

The NZ rollout is largely proceeding as promised.

Are we behind? 11.3 vs 22% for first dose. Aussie wins
6.6 vs 3.3% for 2 doses. NZ wins.

But as others have said, this was always the plan and the expectations have been managed here in NZ.

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#2732225 21-Jun-2021 18:45

sbiddle:

Handle9:

Why is that amazing? Their government set totally unrealistic expectations and now can't figure out how to catch up to what they promised.

The NZ rollout is largely proceeding as promised.

You can't blame the Govt for a sustained mainstream media campaign from media on both sides of the Australian political divide that totally destroyed the credibility of the AZ vaccine and ensured that literally nobody wanted to get it.

Yes there are identified risks and something that's seemingly unique about Australia that's resulting in a higher incidence of blood clots than elsewhere in the world, but that could have been managed. Had it not been for the constant barrage of negative publicity that scared people into not getting it Australia would be a lot further down the vaccination path than what they are now.

The media has less to do with the Australian mess than their own incompetence. They made totally unrealistic promises and have had to walk them back.

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#2732231 21-Jun-2021 19:01

KrazyKid:

Are we behind? 11.3 vs 22% for first dose. Aussie wins
6.6 vs 3.3% for 2 doses. NZ wins.

But as others have said, this was always the plan and the expectations have been managed here in NZ.

Remember their second dose percentage is hard to directly compare due to the 12wk vs 3wk gap between first and second jabs with AZ vs Pfizer. I was looking at some stats last week that showed that total second dose figures for Australia but now can't find it, but when I was looking at it I roughly calculated they will beat us to 10% fully vaccinated but that might get stalled now with all the people who seemingly don't want their second AZ jab.

I wonder if Australia is going to allow mix and match for the second jab or make people have both Pfizer jabs if they don't want their second AZ?

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#2732248 21-Jun-2021 19:08

Mix and match will be very difficult to do without a large scale clinical trial.

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#2732273 21-Jun-2021 20:06

Re Aussies vaccination rate, and comments made by politician's:

I think the state governments see central government as a covenant place to deflect attention from themselves when they have do deal with local outbreaks.
Aussie bet the farm on AZ given it has the ability to produce locally. Only after the very rare blood clot stuff broke did they place a 2nd massive order for Pfizer doses. This set them back massively on their already optimistic plans.
NZ (not having domestic production) took a much more hedged approach. Like Aussie we only initially ordered a relatively small amount of the new mRNA tech pfizer vaccine. However after third stage trial results showed the mRNA vaccines preformed better than AZ, and seeing AZ distribution issues flair, we pivoted to all Pfizer. This put us 1 - 2 months ahead of aussie in the que for our big orders.

In roughly 4 weeks time, New Zealand's weekly shipments from pfizer will go from about 60,000 per week to 300,000 - 500,000 a week. Basically when our first massive shipment lands, our vaccination program can move from being supply constrained to pumping out as many doses as possible. Think every pharmacy and GP clinic willing to meet the government requirements to offer jabs (stuff like having a security guard on site) doing so, Vaccination centers extending hours, work place vaccination clinics etc. And out vaccination numbers will spike.

We will be 1 - 2 months ahead of Aussie with the above (and won't have the 12 week gap AZ doses), so I expect to beat Aussie to 70% of the total population vaccinated.

Handle9:

Mix and match will be very difficult to do without a large scale clinical trial.

Small scale studies have been done, including on in Spain and one in Germany. Results are promising, with the German study indicating that mixed doses outperform two AZ shots.

Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Sweden, Norway and Spain are allowing people who have had first doses to have Pfizer / Moderna second shots. So it is not too big of a stretch for Aussie to do it as well on pure medical grounds.

But Aussie has the big issue that they have abundant AZ doses, and very limited Pfizer doses, so I pick they will keep pushing AZ for eligible age groups.

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#2732286 21-Jun-2021 20:34

Bubble to Victoria reopened

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#2732291 21-Jun-2021 20:39

Scott3:

Handle9:

Mix and match will be very difficult to do without a large scale clinical trial.

Small scale studies have been done, including on in Spain and one in Germany. Results are promising, with the German study indicating that mixed doses outperform two AZ shots.

Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Sweden, Norway and Spain are allowing people who have had first doses to have Pfizer / Moderna second shots. So it is not too big of a stretch for Aussie to do it as well on pure medical grounds.

But Aussie has the big issue that they have abundant AZ doses, and very limited Pfizer doses, so I pick they will keep pushing AZ for eligible age groups.

There's an ethical difference in the Australia and the other countries. Australia doesn't have endemic Covid so there is a significant ethical problem with approving an unproven treatment.

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#2732295 21-Jun-2021 20:52

Re performance of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in a minimal restrictions environment (not certain if the Delta strain is an issue there yet. They still have reasonably tight border restrictions)

As indicated in the plot below, there has been a sharp increase in new cases in Israel over the last week or so following their relaxation of restrictions at the start of the month. Currently showing a provisional figure of 75 new cases for today, the highest daily total in 7 weeks (and only just coming up to midday there).

A big change from the situation prior to June.

Still too early to know what the impact will be on deaths and severe illness (no deaths in the last ~8 days).

This is despite generally very high levels of vaccination (~78% of 20-29 year olds, and ~82% 30-39 year group. And even higher levels for higher age groups)

The current 'Oxford Stringency Index' for Israel (22.22) is identical to the figure for NZ. Only seven countries in the Oxford list with lower OSI values - Nicaragua and six African countries.

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