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#2756163 6-Aug-2021 13:49

I'm trying to change (to bring forward) my SO's jab booking.

This is the message I'm getting now (from either using home address, her work address, or just generally Christchurch)

Is it a glitch in the system, has CDHB "run out" of available vaccine, or maybe I've goofed somehow?

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#2756170 6-Aug-2021 13:52

JPNZ:

Fred99:

291 new cases in NSW, one more death, 304 in hospital, 50 in ICU.

I honestly don't know what they can do except lockdown even harder. The current lockdown is obviously not working. I thought it had the opportunity to get out of control just over a week ago, I believe now its going to be almost impossible for NSW to get back to Zero Covid this year.

NSW's lockdown is basically a holding action... it won't suppress it...

Their main line of attack is to vaccinate their way out.....

Currently they have 1.4 million ppl fully vaccinated with an additional 1.5 million with 1 dose (SYD pop ~5 million)

7 day rolling vaccination numbers are 77K/day and climbing ( were ~40K/day a month ago)

Envelope maths says....

5 million population, assume 4 million over 16.. to vaccinate 75% of 4 million requires 6 million doses. subtract the ~3 million already administered leaves 3 million doses to give.... @77K/day= ~500K per week., means 6 weeks for 3 million doses. ( maybe sooner if they can continue to ramp and don't run into hesitancy...)

They are holding out for numbers to start declining off the back of more and more fully vaccinated..,.

Its a great big "help me Obi-wan Kenobi you're my only hope"

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#2756171 6-Aug-2021 13:53

I booked a month ago and only got this week for #1

I'd expect for our region at least bringing them forward isn't possible as others. CDHB region is behind national. But meeting their DIY targets set. And only just started setting up additional locations for satellite regions. IE kaiapoi/waimakariri

So I expect anything closer than sept, will be already pre-allocated unless a massive centre opened suddenly

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#2756176 6-Aug-2021 14:03

Oblivian:

I booked a month ago and only got this week for #1

I'd expect for our region at least bringing them forward isn't possible as others. CDHB region is behind national. But meeting their DIY targets set. And only just started setting up additional locations for satellite regions. IE kaiapoi/waimakariri

So I expect anything closer than sept, will be already pre-allocated unless a massive centre opened suddenly

Yep. I just tried an anonymous login, there's hardly any appointment slots left in Chch earlier than she's already got. I could cancel the appts, then re-book, but then if I didn't get in quick enough, risk being even later than the confirmed booking that she's already got.

Damn. She was up and booked at sunrise too. 29 September.

Edit:

I had a better look, appointments were in fact available at Princess Margaret. I cancelled the 29th September, re-booked first shot in late August.

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#2756179 6-Aug-2021 14:12

The NZ Herald - Covid 19 coronavirus: Eight-week wait between vaccinations could be recommended says Ashley Bloomfield

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Director general of Health Ashley Bloomfield says Kiwis may be asked to wait eight weeks between Pfizer shots because it provides more immunity than the three-week gap.

He also said Kiwis may need annual booster shots of the Pfizer vaccine - though evidence was still emerging.

He made the comments to the Conference for General Practice in Wellington today.

Recent studies* have shown that an eight-week gap between doses would provide greater immunity, and Bloomfield said the Health Ministry had been looking at the issue.

It's also considered one way of getting wider immunity coverage sooner, by getting first jabs into more people quicker. ...

* for references just Google: Pfizer "8-week sweet spot"

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#2756181 6-Aug-2021 14:22

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The NZ Herald - Covid 19 coronavirus: Eight-week wait between vaccinations could be recommended says Ashley Bloomfield

heh!

+1 - maybe he read your post a day or so ago 😎

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#2756182 6-Aug-2021 14:25

Fred99:

I had a better look, appointments were in fact available at Princess Margaret. I cancelled the 29th September, re-booked first shot in late August.

They seem to ask for masks to be worn (prob the setting) and both my colleagues were delayed 40mins for some reason

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#2756196 6-Aug-2021 14:42

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The NZ Herald - Covid 19 coronavirus: Eight-week wait between vaccinations could be recommended says Ashley Bloomfield

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It's also considered one way of getting wider immunity coverage sooner, by getting first jabs into more people quicker. ...

* for references just Google: Pfizer "8-week sweet spot"

I think they are also $hit Scared of a Delta breakout here and would like to get as much single dose coverage possible...

.(although I'm not sure on what the studies show on the hospitalisation/death efficacy of single dose pfizer

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#2756198 6-Aug-2021 14:45

I'll be watching this. #2 is due 24th. So will be interesting to see if the boundaries shift and I end up a walk-in

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#2756199 6-Aug-2021 14:46

Press release about preliminary data from booster shot being developed by Novovax:

Single booster dose at 6 months of NVX-CoV2373 increased wild-type neutralizing antibodies more than 4-fold versus primary vaccination series
Six-fold increase in cross-reactive functional antibodies to Delta variant compared to primary vaccination series
Analysis of sera from primary vaccination series also showed cross-reactive functional antibodies to Alpha, Beta and Delta variants, all of which increased 6- to 10-fold with boost
Study reinforces mostly mild and transient side effect profile

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#2756200 6-Aug-2021 14:55

Sideface:

The NZ Herald - Covid 19 coronavirus: Eight-week wait between vaccinations could be recommended says Ashley Bloomfield

breaking

Director general of Health Ashley Bloomfield says Kiwis may be asked to wait eight weeks between Pfizer shots because it provides more immunity than the three-week gap.

He also said Kiwis may need annual booster shots of the Pfizer vaccine - though evidence was still emerging.

He made the comments to the Conference for General Practice in Wellington today.

Recent studies* have shown that an eight-week gap between doses would provide greater immunity, and Bloomfield said the Health Ministry had been looking at the issue.

It's also considered one way of getting wider immunity coverage sooner, by getting first jabs into more people quicker. ...

* for references just Google: Pfizer "8-week sweet spot"

That's what SO & I opted for based on evidence that was around at the time we got our first shot back in June. Second now due in a week or so.

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#2756205 6-Aug-2021 15:16

wellygary:

I think they are also $hit Scared of a Delta breakout here and would like to get as much single dose coverage possible...

.(although I'm not sure on what the studies show on the hospitalisation/death efficacy of single dose pfizer

This pre-print might be optimistic and it's kind of preliminary, small sample size and the raw figure below (ie 94%) has a wide 95% confidence range (46-99%), plus immunity eventually drops after a single dose and is much better after a second dose - that's known, but at least it seems clear that one dose should significantly reduce severe disease with an extended interval between dose vaccine rollout. I'd trust the rest to modellers and epidemiologists etc, working with the MoH to get things right - including allowing for limitations of supply and ability to get jabs into arms.

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#2756207 6-Aug-2021 15:23

wellygary:

I think they are also $hit Scared of a Delta breakout here and would like to get as much single dose coverage possible...

.(although I'm not sure on what the studies show on the hospitalisation/death efficacy of single dose pfizer

Numbers see to be all over the place, but consensus seems to be for delta that two vaccine doses provide more than double the protection of a single dose (against infection).

Regardless, for the NZ situation I would strongly support a larger dose gap.

Seems to offer better protection - and given we have the luxury of no urgency from community transmission, we might as well take the best protection available.
Having a more people with first shots (between 3 & 8 weeks ago) will allow use the option of bringing forward 2nd doses if we have an outbreak in a particular area, rapidly spiking fully vaccinated numbers in that location.
Having more people with at least one dose will lead to greater feeling of community inclusion, likely leading to higher overall numbers vaccinated. Should be good politically too. Less people will feel left behind by the vaccine roll out.

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#2756216 6-Aug-2021 15:39

wellygary:
NSW's lockdown is basically a holding action... it won't suppress it...

Their main line of attack is to vaccinate their way out.....

Currently they have 1.4 million ppl fully vaccinated with an additional 1.5 million with 1 dose (SYD pop ~5 million)

7 day rolling vaccination numbers are 77K/day and climbing ( were ~40K/day a month ago)

Envelope maths says....

5 million population, assume 4 million over 16.. to vaccinate 75% of 4 million requires 6 million doses. subtract the ~3 million already administered leaves 3 million doses to give.... @77K/day= ~500K per week., means 6 weeks for 3 million doses. ( maybe sooner if they can continue to ramp and don't run into hesitancy...)

They are holding out for numbers to start declining off the back of more and more fully vaccinated..,.

Its a great big "help me Obi-wan Kenobi you're my only hope"

But their actions will affect all of Straya. So 30 million

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#2756221 6-Aug-2021 15:59

wellygary:

They are holding out for numbers to start declining off the back of more and more fully vaccinated..,.

>100,000 news cases a day now - and climbing death rate in the US with ~50% vaccination rate...

The delay in gaining immunity after vaccination, and the apparently very high transmissibility of Delta and ability to infect fully vaccinated people severely enough so they're shedding enough virus to infect others...
It's not going to work until or unless they stay in lockdown until they get vaccination rates up to UK levels or better.

12 new cases reported today at one KFC in Sydney. Now they're trying to contact trace every customer. Maybe they could have kept them open with delivery only, but nope, business comes first in the gold-standard state.

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