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  #2757381 9-Aug-2021 18:17
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Handle9:

 

When there's an outbreak being fully vaccinated is far more likely to have good outcomes than having one shot.

 

You can't get unvaccinated but you can only get one shot and not go back if there's a long time between shots.

 

 

Given our currently bottleneck is the ability to administer doses, any second doses delayed would be replaced by people having their first dose.

 

The data is shaky as to if this is a net benefit. Data from different sources seem way apart. As one example of data pfizer after one dose offers 48.7% protection vs delta, and after two doses offers 88.0% protection. This would imply that two people getting first doses offers net greater protection to society than a single person getting both doses.

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/07/study-2-covid-vaccine-doses-much-more-effective-1-against-delta

 

But I don't think this can be concluded either way when studies that show the situation the other way around are also considerd.

 

 

 

One of the advantage of having a lot of people between 3 and 8 weeks after their first dose is that on detection of community transmission in an area, all those people can immediately be recommended to have their second dose, and panic 2nd dose clinics stood up in the area of the outbreak. Much quicker to finish off a bunch of peoples vaccination than to start on a bunch of vaccinated people.

 

 

 

Is their any evidence that a longer waiting period between doses impacts 2nd dose turnout? I doubt it would be material.




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  #2757382 9-Aug-2021 18:19
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jarledb:  I am pretty sure that not even this will make them believe that Covid-19 is something to be concerned about ...

 

 

 

 





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  #2757385 9-Aug-2021 18:20
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Oblivian: ...
Not downplaying btw. Just wondering. As the first line of defence has apparently remained. All arrivals treated as they have it. But in this case, they have so there's a potential exposure.

 

Keeping 2m separation from crew* does not seem adequate defence against Delta transmission (* assuming my recollection from reading one article this morning is correct).




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  #2757389 9-Aug-2021 18:26
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Dratsab:

 

Non compliance with crew instructions is a summary offence and arrest is only an option if the person refuses to give their details to police, if police are called. When police do attend such matters they can issue an unruly passenger infringement offence notice - $600 off the top of my head.

 

 

It can cost a fair bit more than $600.  From clause 65J of the Act "

 

(1) Every person commits an offence who fails to comply with any commands given to
the person directly by the pilot-in-command, or indirectly by the pilot-in-command
through a crew member, in accordance with his or her duties under section 13 or
the rules.
(2) Despite section 28(6), every person who commits an offence against subsection (1)
is liable to a fine not exceeding $5,000.





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  #2757390 9-Aug-2021 18:29
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Scott3:

 

Handle9:

 

When there's an outbreak being fully vaccinated is far more likely to have good outcomes than having one shot.

 

You can't get unvaccinated but you can only get one shot and not go back if there's a long time between shots.

 

 

Given our currently bottleneck is the ability to administer doses, any second doses delayed would be replaced by people having their first dose.

 

The data is shaky as to if this is a net benefit. Data from different sources seem way apart. As one example of data pfizer after one dose offers 48.7% protection vs delta, and after two doses offers 88.0% protection. This would imply that two people getting first doses offers net greater protection to society than a single person getting both doses.

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/07/study-2-covid-vaccine-doses-much-more-effective-1-against-delta

 

But I don't think this can be concluded either way when studies that show the situation the other way around are also considerd.

 

 

 

One of the advantage of having a lot of people between 3 and 8 weeks after their first dose is that on detection of community transmission in an area, all those people can immediately be recommended to have their second dose, and panic 2nd dose clinics stood up in the area of the outbreak. Much quicker to finish off a bunch of peoples vaccination than to start on a bunch of vaccinated people.

 

 

 

Is their any evidence that a longer waiting period between doses impacts 2nd dose turnout? I doubt it would be material.

 

 

I think you're going for perfect which is fine in a theoretical sense but unweildy and impractical in a mass vaccination scenario.

 

Keeping it very simple, and in line with the manufacturers guidelines, is likely to produce the most reliable outcomes. Trying to be to clever introduces a whole heap of risks that probably won't be effectively managed.


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  #2757437 9-Aug-2021 20:40
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Seems at least some of the port workers were tested using rapid tests if you're to believe some media reports.

 

When did we approve these?

 

 


 
 
 

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  #2757446 9-Aug-2021 20:49
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i thought we did approve them recently ... hmm


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  #2757449 9-Aug-2021 20:50
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sbiddle:

 

Seems at least some of the port workers were tested using rapid tests if you're to believe some media reports.

 

When did we approve these?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Saliva tests? 4 weeks ago.

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/446868/covid-19-border-workers-to-get-saliva-testing-16-fined-for-refusing-tests

 

 

 

 


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  #2757510 9-Aug-2021 21:09
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Scott3:

 

sbiddle:

 

Seems at least some of the port workers were tested using rapid tests if you're to believe some media reports.

 

When did we approve these?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Saliva tests? 4 weeks ago.

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/446868/covid-19-border-workers-to-get-saliva-testing-16-fined-for-refusing-tests

 

 

 

 

 

 

They used the word rapid tests, not saliva tests (which still take quite some time to perform).

 

 


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  #2757602 9-Aug-2021 22:46
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Technofreak:

 

Dratsab:

 

Non compliance with crew instructions is a summary offence and arrest is only an option if the person refuses to give their details to police, if police are called. When police do attend such matters they can issue an unruly passenger infringement offence notice - $600 off the top of my head.

 

 

It can cost a fair bit more than $600.  From clause 65J of the Act "

 

(1) Every person commits an offence who fails to comply with any commands given to
the person directly by the pilot-in-command, or indirectly by the pilot-in-command
through a crew member, in accordance with his or her duties under section 13 or
the rules.
(2) Despite section 28(6), every person who commits an offence against subsection (1)
is liable to a fine not exceeding $5,000.

 

 

I checked tonight. The infringement notice is $500. If for some reason they are put before the Courts, the fine 'not exceeding $5,000' is what a judge can order up to.


 
 
 

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  #2757614 9-Aug-2021 23:46
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Dratsab:

 

Technofreak:

 

It can cost a fair bit more than $600.  From clause 65J of the Act "

 

(1) Every person commits an offence who fails to comply with any commands given to
the person directly by the pilot-in-command, or indirectly by the pilot-in-command
through a crew member, in accordance with his or her duties under section 13 or
the rules.
(2) Despite section 28(6), every person who commits an offence against subsection (1)
is liable to a fine not exceeding $5,000.

 

 

I checked tonight. The infringement notice is $500. If for some reason they are put before the Courts, the fine 'not exceeding $5,000' is what a judge can order up to.

 

 

I think you can be fairly certain if the airline goes to the trouble of calling the police they'll also take it to court. An infringement notice won't be the end of it.

 

P.S. Just curious where you found the infringement fee for 65J. I can only find them for 65I 1a & 1b, 65L, 65M, 65N, 65O.





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  #2757641 10-Aug-2021 06:58
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"Scientists found that more than 99% of pregnant women admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are unvaccinated, with the Delta variant posing a greater risk of severe disease. "

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/09/worrying-numbers-of-pregnant-women-in-intensive-care-with-covid

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  #2757644 10-Aug-2021 07:03
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"Sky News Australia deletes dozens of videos promoting unproven Covid treatments
Broadcaster has deleted more than 30 videos, including those featuring Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt, ahead of Senate inquiry"

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/10/sky-news-australia-deletes-dozens-of-videos-promoting-unproven-covid-treatments

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