2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2791441 7-Oct-2021 19:32

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-two-positive-cases-found-on-aucklands-north-shore/YXTU2HYNQEW6VEYDR2UPMOX45E/

Okay, that's a little too close to home for me...

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#2791445 7-Oct-2021 19:34

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Is there any reason why the second jab can't be given less than 21 days if people want to get it sooner?

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#2791449 7-Oct-2021 19:42

HelloThere:

Is there any reason why the second jab can't be given less than 21 days if people want to get it sooner?

Required as part of your engine to get the right response and subsequent reminder.

Have 2 at once, will be flooding your engine. And worse outcome than desired effect

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#2791465 7-Oct-2021 19:51

Oblivian:

And worse outcome than desired effect

Worse how? Just trying to see what would happen as have heard people want it ASAP to be fully protected.

In Hamilton late yesterday afternoon and the traffic was as normal as it is during a normal week day. Seems they were in L1.

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#2791472 7-Oct-2021 20:03

Oblivian:

HelloThere:

Is there any reason why the second jab can't be given less than 21 days if people want to get it sooner?

Required as part of your engine to get the right response and subsequent reminder.

Have 2 at once, will be flooding your engine. And worse outcome than desired effect

Distracted nurse gives woman 6 doses of COVID vaccine in a single shot

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#2791473 7-Oct-2021 20:04

HelloThere:

Positive Result In Whangarei

Is there any reason why the second jab can't be given less than 21 days if people want to get it sooner?

we don't know what sort of immunity you'll get because not studied

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#2791474 7-Oct-2021 20:05

Oblivian:

HelloThere:

Is there any reason why the second jab can't be given less than 21 days if people want to get it sooner?

Required as part of your engine to get the right response and subsequent reminder.

Have 2 at once, will be flooding your engine. And worse outcome than desired effect

if you think about it, a 120kg rugby player will get the same dose as a 40kg 12 year old ...

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#2791475 7-Oct-2021 20:06

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Is there any reason why the second jab can't be given less than 21 days if people want to get it sooner?

Distracted nurse gives woman 6 doses of COVID vaccine in a single shot

And someone in Australia had the same.

However clinical trials have shown, It takes ~2 weeks for your body to start producing antibodies and learn how to respond to it.

Taking both at once, will not only trigger a OMG WHAT IS THIS response and likely make one sicker than they need to be. It wouldn't allocate the right resource on antibody production. And thus less effective long term as it gives up and they fade.

The 2nd, delayed jab, triggers further antibody response and thus longer lasting and better future response.

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-and-protection#second-dose

Nuff said.

You aren't protected after 1. You aren't going to be protected getting a double dose at once. You will be protected after the 2nd, at a spacing. Should be enough of a reason.

https://www.immunology.org/coronavirus/connect-coronavirus-public-engagement-resources/why-multiple-doses-covid19-vaccine

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#2791478 7-Oct-2021 20:09

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So, the 90%+ wont happen, but if it stalls at 87% or less, then push forward. Cant help those that cant help themselves.

I hope you're wrong.

With the right persuasion to round up the "hesitant" I think it's possible. NZ isn't the US where they've been rolling out vaccine since the start of the year - but we only got started with relatively unhindered access a month or so ago.

NZ already has a higher rate of first dose administered - 80%. (82% booked) vs 65% US average. (NY Times data)

The highest ranked US states (Vermont and Massachusetts) are at 78%, West Virginia and Idaho only 48%.

Are you sure that you're not mixing percentage eligible vs percentage of population?

From ourworldindata.org the US is at 64% of population. It shows NZ at 69% due to slight underestimation of our population - the true figure is a little less (about 67%), so the MoH site is a better source for NZ vaccination

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=NZL+AUS+USA+GBR+JPN+PRT+ESP+DNK
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data

The same set of graphs from ourworldindata.org show our vaccination rate as being similar to the Australia and Japan rates, although it got a little boost in the last few days. We are vaccinating at a much higher rate than the UK and US.

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#2791486 7-Oct-2021 20:28

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From ourworldindata.org the US is at 64% of population. It shows NZ at 69% due to slight underestimation of our population - the true figure is a little less (about 67%), so the MoH site is a better source for NZ vaccination

Yep, thats how it seems.

As you say, one is all population, one is all available population. Like it shows 64% for Israel DD, when 1/3 of Israel is below age14.

80% eligible for 1 dose have been administered and 82% eligible for one dose have registered to receive 1 dose (2% yet to take up their booking)

I think for NZ sake the MoH is easy to understand, although the bing data is accurate too...

I was also using worldometer up until a few months ago.

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#2791490 7-Oct-2021 20:36

alexx:

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I hope you're wrong.

With the right persuasion to round up the "hesitant" I think it's possible. NZ isn't the US where they've been rolling out vaccine since the start of the year - but we only got started with relatively unhindered access a month or so ago.

NZ already has a higher rate of first dose administered - 80%. (82% booked) vs 65% US average. (NY Times data)

The highest ranked US states (Vermont and Massachusetts) are at 78%, West Virginia and Idaho only 48%.

Are you sure that you're not mixing percentage eligible vs percentage of population?

From ourworldindata.org the US is at 64% of population. It shows NZ at 69% due to slight underestimation of our population - the true figure is a little less (about 67%), so the MoH site is a better source for NZ vaccination

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=NZL+AUS+USA+GBR+JPN+PRT+ESP+DNK
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data

The same set of graphs from ourworldindata.org show our vaccination rate as being similar to the Australia and Japan rates, although it got a little boost in the last few days. We are vaccinating at a much higher rate than the UK and US.

Yeah it is mixed data. Using similar data (eligible population of 12+) it's 76% USA (NY Times) and 80% NZ (MOH)

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#2791492 7-Oct-2021 20:37

quickymart:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-two-positive-cases-found-on-aucklands-north-shore/YXTU2HYNQEW6VEYDR2UPMOX45E/

Okay, that's a little too close to home for me...

Very close for me. The only reason I missed out on the domino's beach haven place of interest was that I was too lazy to get pizza that night.

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#2791495 7-Oct-2021 20:41

Handle9:

Yeah it is mixed data. Using similar data (eligible population of 12+) it's 76% USA (NY Times) and 80% NZ (MOH)

Yep, for the sake of apples vs apples. Be interesting to know the booked rate for the US, or the differential yet to obtain their first dose. Not sure if that data is available from the US?

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#2791496 7-Oct-2021 20:43

richms:

quickymart:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-two-positive-cases-found-on-aucklands-north-shore/YXTU2HYNQEW6VEYDR2UPMOX45E/

Okay, that's a little too close to home for me...

Very close for me. The only reason I missed out on the domino's beach haven place of interest was that I was too lazy to get pizza that night.

Pretty sure I'm closer than you, but yes...still too close for comfort.

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#2791499 7-Oct-2021 20:47

richms:

Very close for me. The only reason I missed out on the domino's beach haven place of interest was that I was too lazy to get pizza that night.

Yes I have had a few close calls. If I was a 20-35yo with good health and double vaxxd I prob wouldnt be keeping an eye on the LOIs daily. Not that there is a need to given I do swipe absolutely every place I visit.

I'd like to know more about whats happening for Waikato and the contact tracing, if its likely the whole province will be shut down like Auckland?

Hopefully the commuting essential worker has not accidentally created a storm north. Or we could just lock down NI North of Just under Taupo :-) (jks), although I do hope I can access northland soon.

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