2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2857754 28-Jan-2022 14:59

JPNZ:

Did I read correctly that 90 of those 105 were Delta?

No, because most of the cases reported today wont have been sequenced yet. Given the last increase in cases, expect the majority - perhaps the vast majority to be Omicron. Sequencing will lag reported cases by a day or two - but once the numbers grow a bit I doubt they will be able to keep up with sequencing anything more than a sample set.

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#2857770 28-Jan-2022 15:20

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The RAT kit problem has just got even more complicated ...

The Guardian Australia - Only one approved rapid test in Australia explicitly states it detects Omicron

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Only one of Australia’s 23 approved at-home rapid antigen tests explicitly states it will detect Omicron, as the Therapeutic Goods Administration [TGA] carries out a review of all tests to check how they work with different variants of Covid-19. ...

The United States Food and Drug Administration has warned that “early data suggests that antigen tests do detect the Omicron variant but may have reduced sensitivity”.

The TGA has announced that variants caused by virus mutations could mean “test kits may no longer be able to detect the virus, leading to false negative results”. ...

Actually more rapid antigen test kits do test positive for Omicron despite not explicitly saying so. I know someone with classic symptoms with taste and smell altered but tested negative on PCR despite knowing she’d been in contact with someone positive. For sure a false negative.

RATs absolutely have a place despite the advertising and it’s up to the relevant authorities to determine what’s acceptable and what’s not.

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#2857772 28-Jan-2022 15:25

mattwnz:

It does feel like the calm before the storm. I guess if the government was going to let it rip, it is better to let it rip in summer when we don't have as much flu and colds going on.

Going to let it rip or no choice?

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#2857778 28-Jan-2022 15:32

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JPNZ:

Did I read correctly that 90 of those 105 were Delta?

No, because most of the cases reported today wont have been sequenced yet. Given the last increase in cases, expect the majority - perhaps the vast majority to be Omicron. Sequencing will lag reported cases by a day or two - but once the numbers grow a bit I doubt they will be able to keep up with sequencing anything more than a sample set.

Its a bit disingenuous of them to say that there are 15 new Omicron cases (and make a headline about it) when in actual fact there are most likely a lot more. So their ability to test variants is lagging behind means they don't have a correct number today. I guess soon enough all the new cases announced each day may as well be considered Omicron.

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#2857780 28-Jan-2022 15:34

mattwnz:
Oldmanakbar: Pretty sure thats just crap reporting from stuff. Its 15, 105 total

It appears that it takes some time for them to know if cases are Omicron or not.

There was a why story at some point.

More or less a result comes from breaking down the sample using chemicals to get a reading.

From that either a new sample is required, or the original carefully tracked and put through a separate process to sequence the rna within it.

It's not a 30 second thing.

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#2857796 28-Jan-2022 15:44

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-parents-opposing-vaccine-rollout-for-kids-claim-itll-lead-to-bullying-exclusion/N3BGCO4NZWQPGCSDIPOEHMG6TA/

I have a feeling this court case for the parents will go nowhere. They haven't gotten anything they wanted (stopping the rollout while this is going through the court system) so far, so I doubt they're achieve anything other than wasting the court's time.

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#2857801 28-Jan-2022 16:09

Eva888:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-decides-against-recommending-covid-vaccines-kids-aged-5-12-2022-01-27/

Although it’s not mandatory here I wonder how this news will impact parents deciding.

You wouldn’t really rely on what Sweden said you’d look around the world globally to realize kids weren’t the ones at risk of ICU and death.

The thing is the vaccine is safe at the lower dose in those kids and for that reason I’d think people would choose to take it. The ones that truly need it are those with kids at risk of serious disease. Those parents know who they are.

For the rest I doubt it provides any additional protection against hospitalization than what infection induced immunity does. And long covid doesn’t appear to be much of a thing to worry about in kids.

Hence it should never be mandated or a requirement for kids. But those that truly need it should get it.

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#2857869 28-Jan-2022 16:25

Court action against vaccination.

Yeh so everyone else can't have 'freedom' to get vaccinated because of how you feel.
The 29% ( 137K ) who have been vaccinated already what will you do with them ?

One of your kids is vulnerable, so SARS-Cov2 infection may be a significant risk to them.

Is there a donation page/patron ticking over on this generating a profit for this pointless theatre ?
At least a poor starving lawyer in their garret can afford to eat.

They really don't live in our world do they.

Imagine extrapolating that to every other thing people may feel pressured about ?

Maybe if they had taken a case against overly expensive school uniforms they would be heros, not zeros.
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#2857876 28-Jan-2022 16:37

freitasm:
Ge0rge: Goes to show that perhaps there is some value in the MIQ system, buying time for people to get boosted - 51 seed points on Wednesday alone were stopped entering NZ.

The cheap shot article David Seymour wrote for the Daily Mail shows just how pathetic it sounds when people complain about MIQ when it is currently holding the flood.

MIQ hasn’t evolved to facilitate the return of kiwis.

The Newshub article covering the child who has tested negative on multiple occasions and 2 parents recovered but public health deem her a risk. They have a rural place in mangawhai which you can get to on one tank of gas. Instead they’re holding her and of a course a parent will stay with her up to some 20 something days.

Anyone with any sense can realize she’s not a public health risk. Seems it’s just a tick box exercise for whoever’s doing the risk evaluations.

All those people missing out on last goodbyes with dying relatives, yet somehow some kiwis support this by shrugging their shoulders and saying … “pandemic” so they’re ok with the crappy situation. There isn’t a “can do” attitude aiming to help people make those situations work in a safe way. What happened to kiwi ingenuity?

Having kiwis go into MIQ when they came from places with less cases than NZ doesn’t make sense in anyone’s mind. Difficult to have respect for govt in those instances.

For those with suitable home situations it’s fine to let them quarantine there. Other countries have doesn’t this successfully.

At the end of the day MIQ is not a sustainable strategy.

Had NZ been smart about their borders and actions they’d have a lot more support but…they haven’t been smart.

Having a fearful highly vaccinated community is not warranted. I’m vaccinated and not worried about covid. More worried about the isolation/quarantine periods. That’s when you know something needs to change. The tools you have protecting others haven’t changed from 2020 and they’re all ridiculously easy to implement.

Living with covid is easy. And no, that doesn’t equate to a let it rip strategy.

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#2857880 28-Jan-2022 16:40

You pick one case out of thousands of citizens and residents returning every week. There are more for sure. The specific one you mention is not a MIQ problem, but the process to determine the risk.

And a Newhub article can't and won't tell you exactly why these are deemed a risk. It is very one-sided. But you get enraged all the same.

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#2857886 28-Jan-2022 16:51

Returning kiwis is the key here. Designed plenty for it

But Not the overflowing holiday makers from Christmas break when the official advise is still the same. Don't leave NZ as things may change.

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#2857888 28-Jan-2022 16:56

mattwnz:

It does feel like the calm before the storm. I guess if the government was going to let it rip, it is better to let it rip in summer when we don't have as much flu and colds going on.

This is the Phoney War stage.

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#2857893 28-Jan-2022 17:14

freitasm:
You pick one case out of thousands of citizens and residents returning every week. There are more for sure. The specific one you mention is not a MIQ problem, but the process to determine the risk.

And a Newhub article can't and won't tell you exactly why these are deemed a risk. It is very one-sided. But you get enraged all the same.

With the information at hand and the doctor that supported their application I’d say it’s pretty obvious she’s no public health risk. Nothing is being missed here. I can’t even make up a reason she’s a public health risk to the community. Neither could the doctor.

Evaluation of risk is of course inextricably linked to MIQ so yes it is a problem with MIQ.

NZs end point Is living with covid. There are going to be deaths just as their have been from other illnesses. That’s a given.

Home iso no different from MIQ. The only difference is you have more control of incoming kiwis than you do the ones in country. Which basically comes down to… who do you trust and who don’t you trust? Would you trust yourself to home quarantine effectively?

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#2857896 28-Jan-2022 17:15

chatterbox:
freitasm:

You pick one case out of thousands of citizens and residents returning every week. There are more for sure. The specific one you mention is not a MIQ problem, but the process to determine the risk.

And a Newhub article can't and won't tell you exactly why these are deemed a risk. It is very one-sided. But you get enraged all the same.

With the information at hand and the doctor that supported their application I’d say it’s pretty obvious she’s no public health risk. Nothing is being missed here. I can’t even make up a reason she’s a public health risk to the community. Neither could the doctor.

Evaluation of risk is of course inextricably linked to MIQ so yes it is a problem with MIQ.

NZs end point Is living with covid. There are going to be deaths just as their have been from other illnesses. That’s a given.

Home iso no different from MIQ. The only difference is you have more control of incoming kiwis than you do the ones in country. Which basically comes down to… who do you trust and who don’t you trust? Would you trust yourself to home quarantine effectively?

Yes.

Do I trust others?

No.

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#2857900 28-Jan-2022 17:33

chatterbox: Home iso no different from MIQ. The only difference is you have more control of incoming kiwis than you do the ones in country. Which basically comes down to… who do you trust and who don’t you trust? Would you trust yourself to home quarantine effectively?

it absolutly is different, you can easily walk out your door at home and go anywhere you wanted while isolating at home, the only thing stopping you doing that is YOU. and its pretty easy to say na haven't been anywhere. You rely on people doing the right thing.

Try walking about the door at MIQ. its not very easy.

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