2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2872163 21-Feb-2022 16:34

Batman:

Oblivian:

PM went live at 3 to address.. well. You know.

No fixed date.

i thought she said after 6 weeks (ie after March when "numbers drop drastically" AND "unvaccinated people have been exposed to covid") there could be change

From Stuff live feed:

Jacinda Ardern says mandates will wind down after Omicron peak

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says the vaccine pass and mandate system will begin to lift once New Zealand is through its Omicron peak in March.

Ardern said vaccine passes had always been “temporary” and the “least bad option” to make sure people who had done the right thing had more freedoms.

Covid-19 cases were likely to peak in mid to late-March, followed by a rapid decline in case numbers, she said.

When that happened New Zealand would move down through the traffic light system, meaning there were fewer limits on gathering sizes and the like.

Ardern said this would also let the Government begin to ease mandates and vaccine passes, but she did not put a date on when this would happen.

“We’ll be looking to make sure that we are beyond the peak and that the pressure on the health system was manageable,” Ardern said.

Edit: Full article https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300523020/covid19-nz-jacinda-ardern-says-mandates-will-wind-down-after-omicron-peak

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#2872164 21-Feb-2022 16:35

Senecio: Have you ever stopped to think that the measures are responsible for that low threat?

Of course I have. The measures up until the current Omicron wave have done a good job to protect us long enough to get very high vaccination numbers and prevent major spread of previous more dangerous strains. I never even remotely disputed that.

But if we are NOW at a point where a doubled vaccinated person is less likely to die from Omicron than the flu, then how can a continued policy of isolation for close contacts still be justified?

If my numbers are wrong then correct me.

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#2872167 21-Feb-2022 16:40

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Senecio: Have you ever stopped to think that the measures are responsible for that low threat?

Of course I have. The measures up until the current Omicron wave have done a good job to protect us long enough to get very high vaccination numbers and prevent major spread of previous more dangerous strains. I never even remotely disputed that.

But if we are NOW at a point where a doubled vaccinated person is less likely to die from Omicron than the flu, then how can a continued policy of isolation for close contacts still be justified?

If my numbers are wrong then correct me.

My bold. Perhaps it's because the less of it out there the better for vulnerable people and also people needing access to medical services for other life threatening (but not necessarily ICU) treatment such as cancer.

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#2872170 21-Feb-2022 16:43

cshwone:

My bold. Perhaps it's because the less of it out there the better for vulnerable people and also people needing access to medical services for other life threatening (but not necessarily ICU) treatment such as cancer.

But that's true of any contagious disease. Should we state isolating flu patients? People with common colds?

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#2872180 21-Feb-2022 17:01

Long Covid tackles even the fittest athletes

Athletes around the globe, and here in NZ, are suffering the long-term physical effects of Covid. And some, like footballer Paige de Seymour, are still sidelined by the virus.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/long-covid-tackles-even-the-fittest-athletes

It will be a while before we have the full tally of this.

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#2872208 21-Feb-2022 18:38

cshwone:

My bold. Perhaps it's because the less of it out there the better for vulnerable people and also people needing access to medical services for other life threatening (but not necessarily ICU) treatment such as cancer.

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#2872209 21-Feb-2022 18:40

This is a dumb question, but if mandates will be "wound down" after the Omnicron peak (as per the top of this page), does that mean people who lost their jobs due to not wanting to take the vaccine would get their former jobs back? Or would they still be unemployed?

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#2872210 21-Feb-2022 18:42

Paul1977:

But that's true of any contagious disease. Should we state isolating flu patients? People with common colds?

A graph here or on another Covid thread shows that Covid is worse than the flu. If you get the flu are your next 20 years potentially governed by permanent flu damage?

Flu is a thing. Is it every year a thing in every country? So every day every country has the flu, people die every day, business shut down or have no customers every day. Governments pay an exorbitant amount ff money every day on subsidies. I dont feel thats the case. But it is right now, for Covid

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#2872212 21-Feb-2022 18:44

quickymart:

This is a dumb question, but if mandates will be "wound down" after the Omnicron peak (as per the top of this page), does that mean people who lost their jobs due to not wanting to take the vaccine would get their former jobs back? Or would they still be unemployed?

Unemployed hopefully. But moving on from that harsh comment. When a door closes, another opens, so probably the UB40 form will be in use

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#2872213 21-Feb-2022 18:49

As regards the "flu" comment just above. My Hamilton work colleague has 9 friends of which two are positive. ChCh colleague has two boys at what will soon be a Covid school. Another in ChCh will decline babysitting tonight as the nearby school has two cases. In Winter, when there is flu are we generally bothered?

No.

Its not quite the same

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#2872215 21-Feb-2022 18:54

quickymart:

This is a dumb question, but if mandates will be "wound down" after the Omnicron peak (as per the top of this page), does that mean people who lost their jobs due to not wanting to take the vaccine would get their former jobs back? Or would they still be unemployed?

I thought about this last night when I read this article.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/02/two-police-officers-who-lost-their-jobs-to-vaccine-mandates-say-they-would-return-if-mandates-lift.html

I would have thought at this point in time, a suspension would be more appropriate than termination? I fully expect mandates will be lifted in the next 8-10 weeks, I had this view well before the PM announcement today. Surely 3 months of leave without pay would have been a better outcome in this scenario?

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#2872217 21-Feb-2022 19:04

quickymart:
does that mean people who lost their jobs due to not wanting to take the vaccine would get their former jobs back?

That's like asking "does a surgeon who lost his job due to not wanting to sterilize before an operation or a construction worker who lost his job due to not wanting to follow OSH-mandated safety measures get their former jobs back?". In both of those two cases I'd say "I certainly hope not", but in the case of the anti-vaxxers I'll go with a more liberal "who cares?". They made their beds, consciously and deliberately, now they have to lie in them.

(This comment is, obviously, not meant for people who had genuine reasons why they couldn't take the vaccine but for the ones who decided that the rules didn't apply to them and who cares what effect that has on others).

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#2872224 21-Feb-2022 19:15

ezbee:

Long Covid tackles even the fittest athletes

Athletes around the globe, and here in NZ, are suffering the long-term physical effects of Covid. And some, like footballer Paige de Seymour, are still sidelined by the virus.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/long-covid-tackles-even-the-fittest-athletes

It will be a while before we have the full tally of this.

long covid is not new.

it's called post viral syndrome.

it happens with any virus you can name.

just that covid is very common nowadays.

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#2872225 21-Feb-2022 19:16

quickymart:

This is a dumb question, but if mandates will be "wound down" after the Omnicron peak (as per the top of this page), does that mean people who lost their jobs due to not wanting to take the vaccine would get their former jobs back? Or would they still be unemployed?

to me it means they can find another job if they were terminated or resigned, or reinstated if still contracted.

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#2872228 21-Feb-2022 19:20

Batman:
it's called post viral syndrome.

A bit nitpicky, but post viral syndrome is mostly just fatigue and, more rarely, aches and pains, a bit like mild CFS, that's quite different from long Covid, particularly the semi-permanent and permanent damage it causes.

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