2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2454973 5-Apr-2020 13:19

I think some are thinking in terms of how far they could comfortably cycle themselves. I can do the 6km to our supermarket without raising a sweat mostly on a cycleway. As a teenager I remember club cyclists at the local bike shop who would do Wellington to Upper Hutt via the Paekakariki Road every night on the way home from work. If you are worried just don't run them down.

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#2454974 5-Apr-2020 13:19

DS248:
Given her views and actions, clearly she does not believe in any virus risk. And this in an old age care worker just returned from work in a rest home. A bit of a worry.

People have all sorts of loony beliefs, but as long as they follow the rules for the lockdown it doesn't matter if they believe the orders are coming from the lizard people.

Friend of mine phoned today for a catchup and mentioned a neighbour of his who's at the full retard end of the scale over this, the whole Covid19 thing is fake, photos of dead bodies in NY cold storage are faked, we're all being deluded by... not sure who, maybe the mind control satellites. As long as they stay in lockdown they're welcome to believe that it's the mind control satellites doing it.

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#2454976 5-Apr-2020 13:20

DarthKermit:

I appreciate our Prime Minister fronting these covid updates. It's good to hear straight from her what activities the government are doing during this time.

It is good to see her front and centre. I take issue with use of phrases like 'going hard and early' and 'closing the borders' when we have respectfully arguably then unquestionably done no such thing.

I am concerned to see the economic/business concerns just getting a blanket response of 'apply for the wage subsidy'. Some indication about whether we are on track to lift the lock-down at four weeks would be welcome at this point.

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#2454978 5-Apr-2020 13:22

GV27:

It is good to see her front and centre. I take issue with use of phrases like 'going hard and early' and 'closing the borders' when we have respectfully arguably then unquestionably done no such thing.

I am concerned to see the economic/business concerns just getting a blanket response of 'apply for the wage subsidy'. Some indication about whether we are on track to lift the lock-down at four weeks would be welcome at this point.

The economic/business was a bit more than "apply for the wage subsidy" but a good warning to businesses that from now on they have to plan to work in a different world.

This is just common sense at this point, really.

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#2454979 5-Apr-2020 13:22

freitasm:

frednz:

https://covid19.govt.nz/help-and-advice/for-everyone/staying-at-home/

From the above:

The Government has asked all people in New Zealand to stay at home to help stop the spread of COVID-19.

As long as you're not unwell, you can leave your house to:

access essential services, like buying groceries, or going to a bank or pharmacy
go to work if you work for an essential service
go for a walk, or exercise and enjoy nature.
You can use your own transport means like a car or bike when you need to access essential services.

Now, if you own a bike, for example, should it be used only when you need to access essential services? It says above that you can leave your house to go for a walk, or exercise and enjoy nature.

We know a couple of cyclists who are still biking around much as they have before, mainly for exercise and covering 20 or 30 kms per day. It doesn't say above that you can only walk from your house to get your exercise.

So, if the Police stop a cyclist and say he has travelled too far from his home, then the cyclist should just accept this and do what he's told even though he thinks biking up to 10 or 15kms each way from his home is still keeping fairly "local".

In other words, the Police have to use their judgment all the time for the greater good, and although cyclists, for example, may not always like this, they should just do as the Police ask them.

And yet, from the health order:

"e. a person leaving their residence for the purpose of exercise or other recreation if-
i. is done in an outdoor place that can be readily accessed from their residence;"

I would say 30km is not readily accessed from their residence.

People need to stop being stupid and try to find loopholes. Stay home. Go out for a walk. Go cycling around the block. 30 km is not "readily accessed".

Don't be stupid people.

I wish cyclists would keep off walking tracks. They are rude and dont try and social distance from people that may be walking. Surely the roads are where cyclists should be with them being so quiet. I have always found cyclists to be generally hypocritical. They continually moan about cars yet their behavior toward walkers is quite bad. Its not just me noticing this..it is widespread.

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#2454982 5-Apr-2020 13:33

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Geektastic:

All of this economic and social damage, with the exception of international tourism, could have just not happened if we’d been quicker off the mark.

It’s infuriating that the PM is getting acclaim for dealing well with something she could have avoided entirely.

As it was NZ acted before WHO declared a global pandemic, implemented travel restrictions early - against advice from WHO, and IIRC at the time was under no pressure from the opposition at all to "shut things down". We had vice chancellors of two universities bleating publicly about the economic cost to them of restricting access of foreign students, and a tourism industry representing 10% of our GDP vehemently opposed to shutdowns, media "personalities" like Hosking damaging public perception of what was needed.

Keep your politics out of this - please. There's another forum for that.

It’s not a political view. It’s managerial view.

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#2454987 5-Apr-2020 13:37

Mahon:

I wish cyclists would keep off walking tracks. They are rude and dont try and social distance from people that may be walking. Surely the roads are where cyclists should be with them being so quiet. I have always found cyclists to be generally hypocritical. They continually moan about cars yet their behavior toward walkers is quite bad. Its not just me noticing this..it is widespread.

What are you classing as a "Walking track", if you mean a footpath, then yes, they are illegal to cycle on (unless they are a shared path as some are). Where I am most "walking tracks" are not solely limited to walking, they are a shared path, and walkers need to recognise this, if a cyclist is passing them they need to walk single file. I constantly see walkers that just walk out in the road in front of you, they don't look where they are going, they need to realise they are sharing the path with others.

If you don't like this you should contact your council about getting the paths reclassified.

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#2454994 5-Apr-2020 13:46

freitasm:

The economic/business was a bit more than "apply for the wage subsidy" but a good warning to businesses that from now on they have to plan to work in a different world.

This is just common sense at this point, really.

Good advice, if you can make it to the end of the lockdown and still pay all your other standing costs.

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#2455079 5-Apr-2020 13:56

I don't get how some of these clusters are still growing; the conference from Queenstown was 3 weeks ago so how are new cases still coming from that cluster. I thought 14 days later you were all good to go

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#2455080 5-Apr-2020 13:56

Also, Jacinda's remarks on Australia's "Can Kiwis just GTFO thx" is no longer beating around the bush.

We really, really need to re-evaluate our special relationship with Australia. Just telling hundreds of thousands of tax-paying Kiwis in Australia to go back to NZ because they don't want to extend a safety net would be ruinous for both countries.

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#2455082 5-Apr-2020 14:02

Mahon:

I wish cyclists would keep off walking tracks. They are rude and dont try and social distance from people that may be walking. Surely the roads are where cyclists should be with them being so quiet. I have always found cyclists to be generally hypocritical. They continually moan about cars yet their behavior toward walkers is quite bad. Its not just me noticing this..it is widespread.

People shouldn't be using walking tracks for walking either right now. They offer no means to allow a 2m separation if someone wants to pass, or is coming in the opposite direction.

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#2455083 5-Apr-2020 14:04

tdgeek:

frednz:

As long as the Police order them out of the sea, let the surfers argue later if they wish whether it's strictly lawful or not. Now isn't the time for legal niceties, we are at war whether we like it or not!

I personally agree, but the law is the law, it has to be done lawfully. We dont live in a Police State.

""War" is one of those terms that is often abused. I hope we're not at war, because, as the saying goes, the first casualty is truth. And "war" becomes an opportunity to force on the populace unpleasant things that the government deems important or at least useful. And often those things hang around long after the "war" is over.

But it's incumbent on the Police especially to behave lawfully. They should know what their powers are, and shouldn't order surfers (or anyone else) around unless they're legally empowered to do it. Otherwise they'll lose the confidence of the populace. If there is a need for the Police to order surfers out of the sea, let the appropriate governmental process (I don't know what's required to create a law under the a National Styate of Emergency) happen.

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#2455084 5-Apr-2020 14:06

nzkiwiman:

I don't get how some of these clusters are still growing; the conference from Queenstown was 3 weeks ago so how are new cases still coming from that cluster. I thought 14 days later you were all good to go

People can pass on the infection before they show symptoms - so one person from the conference could have passed it on through several generations by now. The only way to stop it is by doing what we're doing now (lockdown).

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#2455085 5-Apr-2020 14:07

nzkiwiman:

I don't get how some of these clusters are still growing; the conference from Queenstown was 3 weeks ago so how are new cases still coming from that cluster. I thought 14 days later you were all good to go

Its effectively Community Transmission, where we find out later that Mr X at the conference, saw Mrs Y then who saw Ms X who is a new case. But as we see the cause its not classified as "CT" but it works the same. Each one takes days to have symptoms. This is why the 4 week lockdown is crucial. Every Kiwi can have the virus , can't easily spread the virus and will be free of it in the month.

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#2455088 5-Apr-2020 14:11

GV27:

Good advice, if you can make it to the end of the lockdown and still pay all your other standing costs.

Or we could make the lockdown easier to bear, keep stores open with fewer hours, go to work, but say no OT, that will help businesses. Problem with that is this thread will still be alive and well 8 months down the road. Talking about overwhelmed hospitals, deaths, instead of drink flouters.

If we do the 4 weeks well, things might ease. Or 6 weeks and higher likelihood of bigger easing. Or make it long term.

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