2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2518964 8-Jul-2020 09:24

Fiji has new cases

https://www.stuff.co.nz/tarana/122064988/fiji-now-has-three-new-cases-of-covid19-as-citizens-return-from-india

While these arent really "new" cases, being known imports and expected to deliver cases, it makes the Pacific bubble continues to be troublesome. Raro still seems a good choice but as the PM stated, the issue is NZ airport security, how to keep arrivals completely seperate from bubble travellers in the International terminal. Physically and cleaning logistics

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#2518988 8-Jul-2020 09:44

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Fiji has new cases

https://www.stuff.co.nz/tarana/122064988/fiji-now-has-three-new-cases-of-covid19-as-citizens-return-from-india

While these arent really "new" cases, being known imports and expected to deliver cases, it makes the Pacific bubble continues to be troublesome. Raro still seems a good choice but as the PM stated, the issue is NZ airport security, how to keep arrivals completely seperate from bubble travellers in the International terminal. Physically and cleaning logistics

That's the thing, once a multi-national bubble is formed, travel between those countries becomes relatively unrestricted. Any person entering any country in the bubble from a non-bubble country must be in 14 day isolation, quarantine until cleared. and only then can they go to another country in the bubble.

Don't think, from an NZ and Pacific Island perspective that isn't workable but from an NZ/Aus POV could be a big problem with travellers en-route to either from another country having to be isolated at the Port of Entry to the bubble. They couldn't be allowed to hop on an Auckland - Sydney or reverse to complete their journeys until they can mix with the bubble population.

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#2519009 8-Jul-2020 09:56

cshwone:

tdgeek:

Fiji has new cases

https://www.stuff.co.nz/tarana/122064988/fiji-now-has-three-new-cases-of-covid19-as-citizens-return-from-india

While these arent really "new" cases, being known imports and expected to deliver cases, it makes the Pacific bubble continues to be troublesome. Raro still seems a good choice but as the PM stated, the issue is NZ airport security, how to keep arrivals completely seperate from bubble travellers in the International terminal. Physically and cleaning logistics

That's the thing, once a multi-national bubble is formed, travel between those countries becomes relatively unrestricted. Any person entering any country in the bubble from a non-bubble country must be in 14 day isolation, quarantine until cleared. and only then can they go to another country in the bubble.

Don't think, from an NZ and Pacific Island perspective that isn't workable but from an NZ/Aus POV could be a big problem with travellers en-route to either from another country having to be isolated at the Port of Entry to the bubble. They couldn't be allowed to hop on an Auckland - Sydney or reverse to complete their journeys until they can mix with the bubble population.

Yep. Even if you just looked at Rarotonga, how do you keep them away from other international passengers? I guess you could use the national terminal, maybe not so hard after all in Auckland

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#2519010 8-Jul-2020 09:56

Raro and Niue are the most likely suspects as traditionally their only air entry points have been from Aust/NZ (Raro did have a flights from the US, but they paid Air NZ to keep it afloat, so currently I suspect they would be happy to let that go)

Fiji has well established airlinks all over the pacific and to many Asian Hubs, making it much trickier to include.

There would be concerns over ship and yacht entries, but as most of these journeys will have been for longer than 14 days, as long as you test on arrival you will probably be OK...

At the moment passenger mixing is likely to be manageable as numbers are low, but I think the solution will end up being that arrivals from non-bubble countries are bussed from the tarmac to a separate processing area ( before heading to MIQ) , leaving the main terminal for bubble traffic.

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#2519026 8-Jul-2020 10:17

Fred99:

“The United States’ notice of withdrawal, effective July 6, 2021, has been submitted to the U.N. secretary general, who is the depository for the W.H.O.,” said a senior administration official.

By law, the United States must give the organization a year’s notice if it intends to withdraw, and meet all the current financial obligations in the current year.

Whether it will actually happen or not - given the year's notice - will be up to US voters.

Hopefully they'll be made aware of facts.

He is only pandering to his support base. He does not care what happens in 12 months only what happens in 4 months. It is a win win for him.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2519044 8-Jul-2020 10:36

Batman:

don't worry, Presidents/PMs seem to be immune so far!

Not Prime Ministers -- Boris Johnson.

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#2519070 8-Jul-2020 11:04

Bubonic plague in Mongolia

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/suspected-bubonic-plague-in-china-being-well-managed-says-world-health-organisation-12023195

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#2519097 8-Jul-2020 11:41

Batman: Bubonic plague in Mongolia

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/suspected-bubonic-plague-in-china-being-well-managed-says-world-health-organisation-12023195

Click bait. It still occurs at very low rates in many places; indeed an average of seven human plague cases per year in the US alone.

https://www.cdc.gov/plague/maps/index.html#:~:text=Over%2080%25%20of%20United%20States,in%20people%20ages%2012%E2%80%9345.

I recall seeing a TV interview a decade or so ago with an old rancher in one of the southern states who had had bubonic plague a few years earlier.

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#2519100 8-Jul-2020 11:49

Batman: Bubonic plague in Mongolia

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/suspected-bubonic-plague-in-china-being-well-managed-says-world-health-organisation-12023195

Incidentally, the case you refer to was in Inner Mongolia, not 'Mongolia'.

Inner Mongolia is an autonomous region that is part of China. Mongolia is an independent country.

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#2519103 8-Jul-2020 11:52

Part of China thats all that matters....

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#2519105 8-Jul-2020 11:55

Lessons coming in for suppression strategy , seems to mean repeated restrictions, lock-downs, supermarket rushes and economic cost.

Melbourne. 6 weeks, Ouch...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/victoria-reimposes-lockdown-as-coronavirus-cases-rise/12429990
"It is simply impossible, with case rates at these levels, to have enough contract tracing staff to have enough physical resources … in order to suppress and contain this virus without taking significant steps," he said.

Spain.
Catalonia has had to have local restrictions.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53291281
Now another town in Spain added new restrictions.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53299544

UK local lock down city of Leicester
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/04/leicester-lockdown-map-areas-uk-coronavirus/

Germany has also had to have some localized restrictions related to town of workers in meat processing industry.
https://www.dw.com/en/europes-meat-industry-is-a-coronavirus-hot-spot/a-53961438
Plus this now in Bavaria :
https://www.dw.com/en/bavaria-scrambles-to-halt-coronavirus-spread-from-catering-firm/a-54009031

Never mind parts of USA that have had to back peddle.

For the Morning radio people who will never accept more lock-downs, its happening, and living with covid is not life as normal.
This will come with restrictions popping up and down, and associated economic costs.
Billion AUD a week for Melbourne potentially.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-08/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest/12432206

Forever, no , better knowledge on managing this , treatments, and potential for vaccines and antibody treatments,
more options to move forward with eyes wide open, that a few months will give.

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#2519111 8-Jul-2020 11:56

mattwnz:

Yes we managed to essentially roll back time with our lockdown, to a time when we were in a precovid country. That can only occur with elimination.

Honestly, everyone now seem to be going about business as though there was never any lockdown, and virus...what virus?

We haven't rolled back to pre-covid, we've rolled forward to post-covid. Things are not the same as a year ago.

Everyone is back to normal except the tourist industry, and the overseas travel industry, and the domestic travel industry, and the fruit-picking industry, and the dairy industry, and the parcel-delivery industry, and ... and ...

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#2519118 8-Jul-2020 12:05

frankv:

mattwnz:

Yes we managed to essentially roll back time with our lockdown, to a time when we were in a precovid country. That can only occur with elimination.

Honestly, everyone now seem to be going about business as though there was never any lockdown, and virus...what virus?

We haven't rolled back to pre-covid, we've rolled forward to post-covid. Things are not the same as a year ago.

Everyone is back to normal except the tourist industry, and the overseas travel industry, and the domestic travel industry, and the fruit-picking industry, and the dairy industry, and the parcel-delivery industry, and ... and ...

Thats right, but all of those things are unavoidable. For the rest, we are living in a luxury environment, free of the trappings of lockdowns. Domestic travel seems to be doing ok, I dont know why fruit picking isnt, no one can be bothered doing that

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#2519123 8-Jul-2020 12:16

"Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale"

This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.

“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”

Sweden put stock in the sensibility of its people as it largely avoided imposing government prohibitions. The government allowed restaurants, gyms, shops, playgrounds and most schools to remain open. By contrast, Denmark and Norway opted for strict quarantines, banning large groups and locking down shops and restaurants.

More than three months later, the coronavirus is blamed for 5,420 deaths in Sweden, according to the World Health Organization. That might not sound especially horrendous compared with the more than 129,000 Americans who have died. But Sweden is a country of only 10 million people. Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40 percent more deaths than the United States, 12 times more than Norway, seven times more than Finland and six times more than Denmark.

The elevated death toll resulting from Sweden’s approach has been clear for many weeks. What is only now emerging is how Sweden, despite letting its economy run unimpeded, has still suffered business-destroying, prosperity-diminishing damage, and at nearly the same magnitude of its neighbors.

Sweden’s central bank expects its economy to contract by 4.5 percent this year, a revision from a previously expected gain of 1.3 percent. The unemployment rate jumped to 9 percent in May from 7.1 percent in March. “The overall damage to the economy means the recovery will be protracted, with unemployment remaining elevated,” Oxford Economics concluded in a recent research note.

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#2519152 8-Jul-2020 12:45

frankv:

mattwnz:

Yes we managed to essentially roll back time with our lockdown, to a time when we were in a precovid country. That can only occur with elimination.

Honestly, everyone now seem to be going about business as though there was never any lockdown, and virus...what virus?

We haven't rolled back to pre-covid, we've rolled forward to post-covid. Things are not the same as a year ago.

Everyone is back to normal except the tourist industry, and the overseas travel industry, and the domestic travel industry, and the fruit-picking industry, and the dairy industry, and the parcel-delivery industry, and ... and ...

Some Industries are certainly not normal , but they have great export income prospects, so opportunity to build a new normal.

Mass importation of labor skilled or unskilled has no quick answer yet.
A few very specialist people will be able to get in , but not in mass for a time ( Some select Pacific island Labor maybe easier , but others probably not).

I did see a segment of highly motivated New Zealanders taking heavy farm machinery course.
"Thats not a Tractor, this is a Tractor" is what I thought looking at these monsters.
Problem is the courses were many times oversubscribed, limited training capacity, so industry needs to get behind expanding this.
They will never see such a time where they will get people that are so highly motivated and capable of working with technologies entering farming and associated industries.

There were some times in history where our young and fit were sent overseas to fight wars, and Industries had to train replacements.
It can be done, but you better get moving now quickly.

Dairy is still getting good news seems there will be some industries with bank accounts to support such moves.
https://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=314722
Overall prices are up 8.3-percent -- the largest rise in recent time.
The crucial whole milk powder price has risen even more sharply -- up a whopping 14-percent on the last auction three weeks ago.
Skim milk powder is up 3.5 percent, while butter is up three percent.
There were other areas indicating that Wine, Fruit, Kiwifruit had bumper seasons with good incomes, on the back of demand in world for quality?

So lets see more stepping up to take on trainees, and support programs at agricultural institutes to expand those coming into the industry to train in larger numbers rather than piecemeal.

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