2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2539261 12-Aug-2020 11:37

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People come back here for funerals, and then there’s more funerals when something goes wrong. No thanks.

It’s a global pandemic for goodness sakes. Not a situation our norms are based around. As long as the government keeps insisting the right of return, and exemptions of quarantine the country is screwed.

What’s happening now was known to happen as the question wasn’t if but when.

From what I’ve read so far It’s starting to look like Auckland Airport is the source, not the facilities themselves.

Agreed, I don't think a funeral is a valid reason for international travel in current circumstances. And yes, I have close relatives overseas, and no, I wouldn't expect to fly overseas any time soon if one of them died.

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#2539265 12-Aug-2020 11:40

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"A woman from the family travelled to Rotorua last weekend - even with symptoms."

If we are a team of 5 million, this person deserves whatever the equivalent of a Red Card is.

There needs to be punishment to deter people from doing this: the consequences are simply too expensive and disruptive to just give people a ticking off.

I think this is a bit OTT... we don't even know what symptoms the woman had. It's entirely possible that her symptoms were equally symptomatic of other diseases. Given that there was no known covid-19 in the community in the entire country, I think there are symptom levels where it would be reasonable to assume that it was "just a cold".

With the magic of hindsight, you're saying "Oh, she must have had covid before travelling to Rotorua". And you might even be wrong... perhaps she did just have a cold, and picked up covid in Rotorua? Or do you have some information about what her symptoms actually were?

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#2539269 12-Aug-2020 11:45

So benefit of the doubt to the woman who travelled to Rotorua - maybe it was an urgent situation, maybe her symptoms were thought to be something else, whatever.

But honestly (and assuming she was symptomatic before leaving Auckland), have some self-awareness and smarts about you, why would you travel with a cold/flu (let alone in the midst of a global pandemic)? Particularly if you are aware of a potential risky link (ie a family member working at the airport or whatever).

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#2539275 12-Aug-2020 11:51

antonknee:

So benefit of the doubt to the woman who travelled to Rotorua - maybe it was an urgent situation, maybe her symptoms were thought to be something else, whatever.

But honestly (and assuming she was symptomatic before leaving Auckland), have some self-awareness and smarts about you, why would you travel with a cold/flu (let alone in the midst of a global pandemic)? Particularly if you are aware of a potential risky link (ie a family member working at the airport or whatever).

Even if it was "urgent" there was no need to travel, we have been told for months if you feel sick then you don't leave the house. Just after last lock down i started to get a sore throat late on monday night, first thing i did was text my boss explaining this and that i would not be coming in till i was better, the next day i went and got a test done (came back negative). Started to feel better a day or 2 later but still took extra time working from home to make sure I did not pass it around.

With this virus it's not about "me" or what i might be missing out on by leaving the house, it's about everyone else that I come in contact with and then who they come in contact with. I might not die from the virus but someone else could.

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#2539278 12-Aug-2020 11:57

It's easy to say get a test when ANY of us have 1% of the information. An example I am sneezing and have a blocked nose now should I be tested?

Then when you know more I have a suppressed immune system I get infections very easily, right now trees such as Wattle are flowering and this triggers Hay fever and can result in a Sinus infection(s) should I be tested? If yes I would be tested several times a month. So until we have closer to 100% of the information lets not pile on and save the soap boxes.

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#2539279 12-Aug-2020 11:58

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One hundred and thirty people who work with the man who tested positive in a finance company are considered close contacts.

Three of the husband's contacts are symptomatic and isolating at home.

"None of the workplaces where there is a risk are public-facing," he said.

There are four locations of a workplace across Auckland that have been shut down with a Mt Wellington location being where one of the confirmed cases works.

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#2539281 12-Aug-2020 12:00

antonknee:

So benefit of the doubt to the woman who travelled to Rotorua - maybe it was an urgent situation, maybe her symptoms were thought to be something else, whatever.

But honestly (and assuming she was symptomatic before leaving Auckland), have some self-awareness and smarts about you, why would you travel with a cold/flu (let alone in the midst of a global pandemic)? Particularly if you are aware of a potential risky link (ie a family member working at the airport or whatever).

It wasn't an urgent situation. Dr Bloomfield confirmed she visited tourist attractions there.

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#2539282 12-Aug-2020 12:00

MikeB4:

It's easy to say get a test when ANY of us have 1% of the information. An example I am sneezing and have a blocked nose now should I be tested?

Then when you know more I have a suppressed immune system I get infections very easily, right now trees such as Wattle are flowering and this triggers Hay fever and can result in a Sinus infection(s) should I be tested? If yes I would be tested several times a month. So until we have closer to 100% of the information lets not pile on and save the soap boxes.

From what i am hearing it's more around headaches, sore throat, body aches, coughing and lost of taste and smell.

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#2539284 12-Aug-2020 12:04

freitasm:

antonknee:

So benefit of the doubt to the woman who travelled to Rotorua - maybe it was an urgent situation, maybe her symptoms were thought to be something else, whatever.

But honestly (and assuming she was symptomatic before leaving Auckland), have some self-awareness and smarts about you, why would you travel with a cold/flu (let alone in the midst of a global pandemic)? Particularly if you are aware of a potential risky link (ie a family member working at the airport or whatever).

It wasn't an urgent situation. Dr Bloomfield confirmed she visited tourist attractions there.

Right well, benefit of the doubt fully removed then. Should have stayed home if she was sick anyway (like a cold), but especially given the circumstances.

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#2539285 12-Aug-2020 12:04

tripp:

From what i am hearing it's more around headaches, sore throat, body aches, coughing and lost of taste and smell.

Yep and that is what bad Hayfever can give you

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#2539287 12-Aug-2020 12:06

antonknee:

Right well, benefit of the doubt fully removed then. Should have stayed home if she was sick anyway (like a cold), but especially given the circumstances.

That is changing your belief based on 2% of the information

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#2539288 12-Aug-2020 12:07

MikeB4:

Then when you know more I have a suppressed immune system I get infections very easily, right now trees such as Wattle are flowering and this triggers Hay fever and can result in a Sinus infection(s) should I be tested? If yes I would be tested several times a month. So until we have closer to 100% of the information lets not pile on and save the soap boxes.

Pine pollen is also out at the moment ( all that yellow stuff getting caught in puddles) my son has been snuffed up with a runny nose for the last week, technically these would qualify as mild COVID symptoms, but they are not

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#2539302 12-Aug-2020 12:09

MikeB4:

tripp:

From what i am hearing it's more around headaches, sore throat, body aches, coughing and lost of taste and smell.

Yep and that is what bad Hayfever can give you

Then i would be staying at home to be safe. But if you know you get hayfever you also know that you can get meds for it (i had it bad for the first 20 years of my life in whanganui when i was living there).

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#2539303 12-Aug-2020 12:11

MikeB4:

antonknee:

Right well, benefit of the doubt fully removed then. Should have stayed home if she was sick anyway (like a cold), but especially given the circumstances.

That is changing your belief based on 2% of the information

No not really. If someone is sick I've always believed they should stay home. Yes I said if it was an urgent trip for some reason then flexibility is acceptable, but by and large I've always said sick people should stay home. For the record - I've always thought that, it has always grinded my gears that people still turn up to work coughing & sneezing.

I didn't realise the trip to Rotorua was apparently sightseeing (given she attended tourist attractions), and IF she was symptomatic at that time then this leisure trip simply shouldn't have happened. This is consistent with my belief all along - all that's changed is I was prepared to give people the benefit of the doubt that travel while symptomatic may have been for some kind of necessary reason.

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#2539304 12-Aug-2020 12:11

@MikeB4:

antonknee:

Right well, benefit of the doubt fully removed then. Should have stayed home if she was sick anyway (like a cold), but especially given the circumstances.

That is changing your belief based on 2% of the information

I disagree. Everyone knows (or should've known for years) that if you have flu/cold symptoms you should not go to work, etc. And yet you'd usually see people sneezing, coughing, etc because their work is "too important" and they couldn't take a day off because "I will get behind" or "boss/others will think I am not working hard enough".

Then COVID-19 came along and the message was repeated even more frequently: if you are not feeling well or have symptoms, stay home.

There are no excuses.

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