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#216651 6-Jul-2017 13:33

According to reports, obesity has taken over from tobacco as the biggest killer of people in New Zealand. I also saw an item the other day that Kiwi kids are now the fattest in the world, though I don't have a link to it handy.

Whenever I go into town, I have to run a gauntlet of junk food palaces lining both sides of the street. For a country with the wonderful fresh food resources New Zealand has, the food choices here are depressingly awful.

It is well-known that when you quit smoking, you eat more. I have to wonder if the government's fervency in taxing tobacco out of existence has not invoked the law of unintended consequences by simply transferring premature mortality from one cause to another.

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#1813824 6-Jul-2017 13:39

Most of the people I see smoking at lunchtime (central Wellington) are already obese.

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#1813862 6-Jul-2017 14:32

MikeAqua:

Most of the people I see smoking at lunchtime (central Wellington) are already obese.

It could be that overweight smokers rationalise not giving up smoking on the basis that if they do, then they'll put on (even more) weight.

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#1813868 6-Jul-2017 14:39

@ Rikkitic You used a key word in your post that is "choice" yes there are bad food options however to use those bad options is a matter of choice. One does not have to go into KFC or McDonalds. As for fresh food choices, they are becoming harder to find in the larger cities, the vegetables and meat in the large super markets are far from fresh, for example buy Silver Beat in the morning by dinner time it looks like a limp chunk of wet sea weed. Most of the fruit and vege has been in coolers for a very long time and most of the super market meat and fish is just plain horrible.

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#1813876 6-Jul-2017 14:49

Fred99:

MikeAqua:

Most of the people I see smoking at lunchtime (central Wellington) are already obese.

It could be that overweight smokers rationalise not giving up smoking on the basis that if they do, then they'll put on (even more) weight.

Or just a general tendency to make poor choices.

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#1813878 6-Jul-2017 14:54

MikeB4:

@ Rikkitic You used a key word in your post that is "choice" yes there are bad food options however to use those bad options is a matter of choice. One does not have to go into KFC or McDonalds. As for fresh food choices, they are becoming harder to find in the larger cities, the vegetables and meat in the large super markets are far from fresh, for example buy Silver Beat in the morning by dinner time it looks like a limp chunk of wet sea weed. Most of the fruit and vege has been in coolers for a very long time and most of the super market meat and fish is just plain horrible.

I am not sure where you shop, but i am at New World and Countdown every week and it's been at least 2 years since I've seen the issues you are experiencing. I find pretty fresh seafood, including shellfish in supermarkets now, that 2+ years ago I would have rather starved than have eaten.

Supermarkets have become so much more aware of the importance of fresh, and whilst it's a fact that food spends time in a chiller, esp if it comes from overseas, we don't have any issues with the season locally grown produce supplied by any of the supermarkets we have been to in Auckland recently.

Nosh (until say 12 months ago) and Farro and now Countdowns premium brands all take great pride in the quality and freshness of their produce.

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MikeB4:

@ Rikkitic You used a key word in your post that is "choice" yes there are bad food options however to use those bad options is a matter of choice. One does not have to go into KFC or McDonalds. As for fresh food choices, they are becoming harder to find in the larger cities, the vegetables and meat in the large super markets are far from fresh, for example buy Silver Beat in the morning by dinner time it looks like a limp chunk of wet sea weed. Most of the fruit and vege has been in coolers for a very long time and most of the super market meat and fish is just plain horrible.

I am not sure where you shop, but i am at New World and Countdown every week and it's been at least 2 years since I've seen the issues you are experiencing. I find pretty fresh seafood, including shellfish in supermarkets now, that 2+ years ago I would have rather starved than have eaten.

Supermarkets have become so much more aware of the importance of fresh, and whilst it's a fact that food spends time in a chiller, esp if it comes from overseas, we don't have any issues with the season locally grown produce supplied by any of the supermarkets we have been to in Auckland recently.

Nosh (until say 12 months ago) and Farro and now Countdowns premium brands all take great pride in the quality and freshness of their produce.

In Wellington my experience is that they are just poor quality foods, this is why we travel over to the Wairarapa to buy our meat and vege as well as growing our own vegetables and fruit. An example of meat, but Lamb from a Supermarket and it stinks, we buy ours at the Greytown Butchery and there is no smell.

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#1813895 6-Jul-2017 15:05

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MikeB4:

@ Rikkitic You used a key word in your post that is "choice" yes there are bad food options however to use those bad options is a matter of choice. One does not have to go into KFC or McDonalds. As for fresh food choices, they are becoming harder to find in the larger cities, the vegetables and meat in the large super markets are far from fresh, for example buy Silver Beat in the morning by dinner time it looks like a limp chunk of wet sea weed. Most of the fruit and vege has been in coolers for a very long time and most of the super market meat and fish is just plain horrible.

I am not sure where you shop, but i am at New World and Countdown every week and it's been at least 2 years since I've seen the issues you are experiencing. I find pretty fresh seafood, including shellfish in supermarkets now, that 2+ years ago I would have rather starved than have eaten.

Supermarkets have become so much more aware of the importance of fresh, and whilst it's a fact that food spends time in a chiller, esp if it comes from overseas, we don't have any issues with the season locally grown produce supplied by any of the supermarkets we have been to in Auckland recently.

Nosh (until say 12 months ago) and Farro and now Countdowns premium brands all take great pride in the quality and freshness of their produce.

I was in Auckland a few weeks ago, had text message from people we were going to dinner with asking if we could pick up a bag of rocket on our way over. That took 3 supermarket visits, in one of them the produce area assistants seemed to have been completely unaware what rocket even was.

My guess is that there's a hell of a lot of variation from area to area. That was in the NW suburbs.

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#1813896 6-Jul-2017 15:05

MikeB4:

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MikeB4:

@ Rikkitic You used a key word in your post that is "choice" yes there are bad food options however to use those bad options is a matter of choice. One does not have to go into KFC or McDonalds. As for fresh food choices, they are becoming harder to find in the larger cities, the vegetables and meat in the large super markets are far from fresh, for example buy Silver Beat in the morning by dinner time it looks like a limp chunk of wet sea weed. Most of the fruit and vege has been in coolers for a very long time and most of the super market meat and fish is just plain horrible.

I am not sure where you shop, but i am at New World and Countdown every week and it's been at least 2 years since I've seen the issues you are experiencing. I find pretty fresh seafood, including shellfish in supermarkets now, that 2+ years ago I would have rather starved than have eaten.

Supermarkets have become so much more aware of the importance of fresh, and whilst it's a fact that food spends time in a chiller, esp if it comes from overseas, we don't have any issues with the season locally grown produce supplied by any of the supermarkets we have been to in Auckland recently.

Nosh (until say 12 months ago) and Farro and now Countdowns premium brands all take great pride in the quality and freshness of their produce.

In Wellington my experience is that they are just poor quality foods, this is why we travel over to the Wairarapa to buy our meat and vege as well as growing our own vegetables and fruit. An example of meat, but Lamb from a Supermarket and it stinks, we buy ours at the Greytown Butchery and there is no smell.

That's surprising to me. I'd be raising it with the supermarket(s) in question. In theory big supermarkets should have massive turn over of meat and produce and milk as those are typically the big sellers I think.

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#1813934 6-Jul-2017 15:10

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networkn:

MikeB4:

@ Rikkitic You used a key word in your post that is "choice" yes there are bad food options however to use those bad options is a matter of choice. One does not have to go into KFC or McDonalds. As for fresh food choices, they are becoming harder to find in the larger cities, the vegetables and meat in the large super markets are far from fresh, for example buy Silver Beat in the morning by dinner time it looks like a limp chunk of wet sea weed. Most of the fruit and vege has been in coolers for a very long time and most of the super market meat and fish is just plain horrible.

I am not sure where you shop, but i am at New World and Countdown every week and it's been at least 2 years since I've seen the issues you are experiencing. I find pretty fresh seafood, including shellfish in supermarkets now, that 2+ years ago I would have rather starved than have eaten.

Supermarkets have become so much more aware of the importance of fresh, and whilst it's a fact that food spends time in a chiller, esp if it comes from overseas, we don't have any issues with the season locally grown produce supplied by any of the supermarkets we have been to in Auckland recently.

Nosh (until say 12 months ago) and Farro and now Countdowns premium brands all take great pride in the quality and freshness of their produce.

I was in Auckland a few weeks ago, had text message from people we were going to dinner with asking if we could pick up a bag of rocket on our way over. That took 3 supermarket visits, in one of them the produce area assistants seemed to have been completely unaware what rocket even was.

My guess is that there's a hell of a lot of variation from area to area. That was in the NW suburbs.

Well, Rocket is not a winter vegetable so I'd expect it to be hard to find, like strawberries and other vegetables not in season.

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#1813935 6-Jul-2017 15:16

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Fred99:

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MikeB4:

@ Rikkitic You used a key word in your post that is "choice" yes there are bad food options however to use those bad options is a matter of choice. One does not have to go into KFC or McDonalds. As for fresh food choices, they are becoming harder to find in the larger cities, the vegetables and meat in the large super markets are far from fresh, for example buy Silver Beat in the morning by dinner time it looks like a limp chunk of wet sea weed. Most of the fruit and vege has been in coolers for a very long time and most of the super market meat and fish is just plain horrible.

I am not sure where you shop, but i am at New World and Countdown every week and it's been at least 2 years since I've seen the issues you are experiencing. I find pretty fresh seafood, including shellfish in supermarkets now, that 2+ years ago I would have rather starved than have eaten.

Supermarkets have become so much more aware of the importance of fresh, and whilst it's a fact that food spends time in a chiller, esp if it comes from overseas, we don't have any issues with the season locally grown produce supplied by any of the supermarkets we have been to in Auckland recently.

Nosh (until say 12 months ago) and Farro and now Countdowns premium brands all take great pride in the quality and freshness of their produce.

I was in Auckland a few weeks ago, had text message from people we were going to dinner with asking if we could pick up a bag of rocket on our way over. That took 3 supermarket visits, in one of them the produce area assistants seemed to have been completely unaware what rocket even was.

My guess is that there's a hell of a lot of variation from area to area. That was in the NW suburbs.

Well, Rocket is not a winter vegetable so I'd expect it to be hard to find, like strawberries and other vegetables not in season.

Isn't it?

It's growing in my garden in Chch absolutely perfectly, alongside some mustard cress, water cress, spinach, native spinach, bok choy.

I'll quickly race down to the garden and tell it to stop.

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#1813938 6-Jul-2017 15:21

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Isn't it?

It's growing in my garden in Chch absolutely perfectly, alongside some mustard cress, water cress, spinach, native spinach, bok choy.

I'll quickly race down to the garden and tell it to stop.

As usual, you don't seem to be able to converse without being negative and sarcastic, you should see someone about that.

It's not peak growing season for them. Just because they WILL grow, doesn't mean it's the intended season.

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#1813939 6-Jul-2017 15:23

MikeB4:

networkn:

MikeB4:

@ Rikkitic You used a key word in your post that is "choice" yes there are bad food options however to use those bad options is a matter of choice. One does not have to go into KFC or McDonalds. As for fresh food choices, they are becoming harder to find in the larger cities, the vegetables and meat in the large super markets are far from fresh, for example buy Silver Beat in the morning by dinner time it looks like a limp chunk of wet sea weed. Most of the fruit and vege has been in coolers for a very long time and most of the super market meat and fish is just plain horrible.

I am not sure where you shop, but i am at New World and Countdown every week and it's been at least 2 years since I've seen the issues you are experiencing. I find pretty fresh seafood, including shellfish in supermarkets now, that 2+ years ago I would have rather starved than have eaten.

Supermarkets have become so much more aware of the importance of fresh, and whilst it's a fact that food spends time in a chiller, esp if it comes from overseas, we don't have any issues with the season locally grown produce supplied by any of the supermarkets we have been to in Auckland recently.

Nosh (until say 12 months ago) and Farro and now Countdowns premium brands all take great pride in the quality and freshness of their produce.

In Wellington my experience is that they are just poor quality foods, this is why we travel over to the Wairarapa to buy our meat and vege as well as growing our own vegetables and fruit. An example of meat, but Lamb from a Supermarket and it stinks, we buy ours at the Greytown Butchery and there is no smell.

If you are out that way, fresh Choice in greytown apparently sources wairarapa grown meat.

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#1813948 6-Jul-2017 15:27

Read somewhere that stress actually kills more people than tobacco. So surely tabaco can be labeled as a stress reliever. Even smoking cannabis relieves stress.

Most smokers have addictive personalities, hence thats why most are also addicted to other things too (alcohol, food, drugs in some cases). Late night in Cuba Street Wellington is proof, lots of fat, drunk, smokers all over the place.

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#1813957 6-Jul-2017 15:39

networkn:

Fred99:

Isn't it?

It's growing in my garden in Chch absolutely perfectly, alongside some mustard cress, water cress, spinach, native spinach, bok choy.

I'll quickly race down to the garden and tell it to stop.

As usual, you don't seem to be able to converse without being negative and sarcastic, you should see someone about that.

It's not peak growing season for them. Just because they WILL grow, doesn't mean it's the intended season.

Thanks for the ad-hominem. I expect them from certain people.

Rocket grows just fine in mild NZ winter. Most supermarkets stock it. You were wrong. Please get over yourself.

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#1813959 6-Jul-2017 15:41

Junk food is a side issue.........this is a consequence of the low fat era, and without really thinking everyone went about eating an unnatural food supply. Now the professionals are sticking to that theory and blaming sugar....

They go about heavily marketing margarines and vegetable oils and condemn smoking and soft drinks. Public health messaging is a load of nonsense.

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