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#2862551 6-Feb-2022 15:25

MikeB4: One of our clients is a Civil Engineering Company, don’t ask I won’t be naming. In a meeting they told us that the “engineering” short comings are a smoke screen. The road is finished, it has been affected by recent weather which is normal for any road. This project has been an shambles starting with the National Party original mistake, the incompetence has continued under the Labour government and has now been front lined by the GWRC. So the damage to life, limb and economy continues with this modern day interpretation of the Keystone Cops.

So all our problems are caused by politicians and bureaucrats.. I mean I can pretty readily accept that explanation lol.

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#2862561 6-Feb-2022 15:47

@Lias when comes to the Wellington regional roads it is absolutely politicians and bureaucrats. SH1 all the way to beyond Levin, the central divide access previously the Manawatu gorge and the painful progress to replace the gorge. Remutaka and Kaitoke hill roads and then there is the never ending disaster that is SH58 Haywards road. While these muppets play their stupid games the cost and loss of live goes up and up.

It is not just Labour the National government before have been incredibly inept in dealing with our infrastructure especially roads,

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#2862761 6-Feb-2022 18:34

It doesn't matter what's going on with other roads so let's not use that as a smokescreen.

The firm contracted to build this one need to build it properly.

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#2863784 9-Feb-2022 07:58

Lias:

MikeB4: One of our clients is a Civil Engineering Company, don’t ask I won’t be naming. In a meeting they told us that the “engineering” short comings are a smoke screen. The road is finished, it has been affected by recent weather which is normal for any road. This project has been an shambles starting with the National Party original mistake, the incompetence has continued under the Labour government and has now been front lined by the GWRC. So the damage to life, limb and economy continues with this modern day interpretation of the Keystone Cops.

So all our problems are caused by politicians and bureaucrats.. I mean I can pretty readily accept that explanation lol.

Well clearly its not political: Transmission Gully: Major repairs underway after surfacing issues | Stuff.co.nz

As someone who works in the industry, the PPP was a terrible way to fund this. It was an excuse to get what they wanted but for it not to show on the books and the consequence is that its costing more to design, build and operate compared to a normally built road. PPPs have shwon they are not worth it for roads unless the alternative is so far away, e.g. Second Severn Crossing between England and Wales.

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#2863795 9-Feb-2022 08:42

That stuff article makes for grim reading. Wonder if the TAB is taking bets on whether it be completed this calendar year.

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#2865102 10-Feb-2022 23:20

Previous rumours about the road being ready to go and the issues being a 'smoke screen' were a mis-interpretation of a engineering report that assessed basic suitability of the road (a.k.a can it be driven).

Interesting analysis: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/analysis-dont-be-fooled-transmission-gully-was-not-and-is-not-ready-to-open/NJOWGFF756T7X6H2LGHXEEZRYI/

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#2879223 4-Mar-2022 20:05

The Goal Posts have been moved with all the QA checks being done to try to get the highway open soon, but still no date

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/plan-revealed-to-get-transmission-gully-open-earlier/72UQGSSR7K6L3OVTJGQYS4ZVZU/

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#2879225 4-Mar-2022 20:14

From Stuff's "Things we didn't learn this week"

To the Transport Minister, Michael Wood:

Q: Can we get an update on when a new opening date for Transmission Gully will be announced? It was meant to be by the end of February.

A: No response.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300529332/things-we-didnt-learn-this-week-to-march-5

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#2879239 4-Mar-2022 21:01

Has anyone asked what it's current state is compared to the average highway in NZ?

I can understand shutting a road if it's fundamentally unsafe, but surely that's a good % of all NZ roads?

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#2880087 7-Mar-2022 08:30

I suspect that lowering the QA standards is going to shift the cost of remediating faults from construction to maintenance... i.e. onto the taxpayers.

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#2880090 7-Mar-2022 08:40

frankv:

I suspect that lowering the QA standards is going to shift the cost of remediating faults from construction to maintenance... i.e. onto the taxpayers.

As opposed to the taxpayers, who are fnding the construction???

Sorry. ultimately don't see the difference - it's two pots of money but with one income source - i.e. us.

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#2880093 7-Mar-2022 09:01

jamesrt:

frankv:

I suspect that lowering the QA standards is going to shift the cost of remediating faults from construction to maintenance... i.e. onto the taxpayers.

As opposed to the taxpayers, who are fnding the construction???

Sorry. ultimately don't see the difference - it's two pots of money but with one income source - i.e. us.

It's a Public Private Partnership which National were very keen on when last in Government.

My rough understanding (others are welcome to correct me) is

fixed price build contract with penalty clauses when the job isn't done on time/etc
lots of checks (the current part of the process) that it's been done properly
at this point the builder washes their hands of the project
then road gets handed to an operating company (and I guess paid a fixed price per year to maintain it)

Theoretically -- fixed price so easy to budget for, and some financial jiggery-pokery that is supposed to be better than raising debt.

Then the builder underbids and can't complete on time... and the checks on their work say not good enough... or there's a pandemic and they demand additional payments...

Or you open the road under public pressure even through the checks aren't complete... and the road operator contract doesn't cover faults in building of the road... so the public purse is opened again to fix that...

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#2880099 7-Mar-2022 09:28

frankv:

I suspect that lowering the QA standards is going to shift the cost of remediating faults from construction to maintenance... i.e. onto the taxpayers.

No, under the PPP agreement, the consortium both build and operate & maintain the road for the next 25 years, in return for an ongoing fee...

But, as is typical in projects like this the company that will maintain the road is different to the one that built the road, so if it sees costs moving from the construction portion into the maintenance portion its likely they will want a better payment from the PPP consortium.... and the lawyers see endless money,

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#2880101 7-Mar-2022 09:28

deadlyllama:

'The essence of a PPP'

This is pretty much it. The Build partner should fix everything before opening, otherwise the operating partner has to and they've got higher rates for this as well as penalties. Both come from the public purse but leaving it until later will cost a lot more than getting the current build partner to fix now.

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#2880831 8-Mar-2022 08:40

PolicyGuy:

From Stuff's "Things we didn't learn this week"

To the Transport Minister, Michael Wood:

Q: Can we get an update on when a new opening date for Transmission Gully will be announced? It was meant to be by the end of February.

A: No response.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300529332/things-we-didnt-learn-this-week-to-march-5

Progress 8 March 2022 😝

Transport Minister, Michael Wood:

...and I am optimistic that a precise opening date will be announced very soon.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/127984763/transport-minister-optimistic-about-transmission-gully-opening-date-soon

I got a paper pamphlet in my mailbox about 6 weeks ago saying 'Transmission Gully Will Be Opening Soon"...I guess one soon is not like another.

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