Kia EV6 - NZ Pricing and spec sheet released

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#2931686 19-Jun-2022 16:05

lchiu7:

Maybe today but over the next few years I think we should see the gradual deployment of faster charges so 800V is going to be useful

Oh it will be useful for the EV6 etc for sure, but its not really a draw for it against a model Y, if you have a 300kw 800v charger it will charge a bit faster ( 260 vs 200) but its also a less efficient vehicle, and the tesla has more choice for now where to charge

mattwnz:
I would expect to see more people demanding triple phase power when building a new home. We got it installed after requesting it.

I guess if you get one of the 100kwh+ cars/trucks and do a lot of driving but most people 7kw will either fill an EV whilst they sleep or be plenty enough to get sufficient range for the next day.

70kwh a night is worth about 3500km a week or 180,000km a year those are some edge case numbers, even for an entire family!

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#2931754 19-Jun-2022 18:17

RobDickinson:

I guess if you get one of the 100kwh+ cars/trucks and do a lot of driving but most people 7kw will either fill an EV whilst they sleep or be plenty enough to get sufficient range for the next day.

I guess it is a similar difference between charging a phone on a quick charger, vs a standard charger. Standard charging used to be acceptable for years for overnight charging, but now people are demanding quick charging and it is now standard on most phones

From what I have read, EVs coming out of China in coming years will have 1000 +km ranges on a single charge , so this maybe the more standard range long term. I understand some of the upcoming Mitsubishis in teh coming years will have some very long ranges and and are being built in China.

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#2931800 19-Jun-2022 20:24

RobDickinson:

800v charging is such a duff point for NZ esp over the Y

Not sure what the duff point expression means, but I consider 800v charging (well, at the the speed that the EV6 long range can accept at least), very desirable. Especially for those in the upper north island, where such stations allready exist.

Other advantage, is that due to charging on 50kW DC chargers being achieved via a voltage converter in the car, the car will be able to draw the maximum power (50kW from said charger). I understand that EV's with quite low pack voltages can't come close to maxing this out due to some kind of current limit on the DC side.

An argument could be made that NZ is too small for fast charging speed to be much of a big deal, with a car with 530km of rated range, but that falls over with the likes of towing which dramatically reduces useable range.

And there is no argument that the EV'6's DC charging on a 350kW charger is super fast (10-80% in 18mins), 100km of charge added in less than 4.5 mins.

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#2931809 19-Jun-2022 20:38

so if Kia says 200kW (or is it 225? 250?) charging, does it actually charge at 200kW (225 / 250)?

i'm sick of tech companies telling me my computer will last 8 hrs, they don't. laptop CPU will go 4.5GHz, they don't. my car will do 8L/100km, it doesn't.

EV has 400km range .... yeah right, does Kia know it's winter now?

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#2931817 19-Jun-2022 21:01

Batman:

so if Kia says 200kW (or is it 225? 250?) charging, does it actually charge at 200kW (225 / 250)?

i'm sick of tech companies telling me my computer will last 8 hrs, they don't. laptop CPU will go 4.5GHz, they don't. my car will do 8L/100km, it doesn't.

EV has 400km range .... yeah right, does Kia know it's winter now?

They are quoting the peak charge rate.

Every EV has a different charge curve.

From EV database for the EV6 LR 2wd:

For comparison the charge curves of vairous other EV's are below. Not the ioniq 5 is the sister car of the EV6, with the 58.2 kWh car being the standard range (smaller battery) version.

MIC Tesla Model 3 SR+ Fast Charging Test Reveals Strong Results

Batman:

EV has 400km range .... yeah right, does Kia know it's winter now?

Based on experience with the 64kWh (usable) Kona, I would expect other Hyundai / Kia vehicles to get close to their rated range in NZ conditions. Family members have one, and it is quite viable to get 450km out of it, which is roughly what that one was advertised at (pre face lift).

Obviously real world mileage will vary based on condition's, especially speed, drag, and to a lesser extent use of Heating / air conditioning.

I think Tesla car's are a bit more optimized for the test cycle and to a bit worse relative in the real world than the likes of the Kona (real world data on the EV6)

There is a detailed discussion on the impact of all but the top trim of the EV6 lacking a heat pump on winter range further up in the thread if that is of interest.

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#2931981 20-Jun-2022 08:44

mattwnz:

From what I have read, EVs coming out of China in coming years will have 1000 +km ranges on a single charge , so this maybe the more standard range long term. I understand some of the upcoming Mitsubishis in teh coming years will have some very long ranges and and are being built in China.

That particular EV is supposed to have a 150kw battery. At 7kw it will take 20 hours to charge! OH no you say! But 1000km will take you 12-14+ hours of driving in NZ, where and how often are you doing that?

Its not down to the pack size but how much you drive and thats typically not much vs 7kw overnight charging.

For sure if you get a 200kwh truck and tow things all day eveyr day for work you'll need better but that isnt normal.

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#2932044 20-Jun-2022 11:25

Batman:

so if Kia says 200kW (or is it 225? 250?) charging, does it actually charge at 200kW (225 / 250)?

It really depends on the charger more than the car. If we take the chargers that Z is installing as an example, they claim that it's a 180kW charger. The actual specifications of the charger is 900v and 200a, so to get the full 180kW from the charger you would need a vehicle with a 900v system. On this charger, an EV6 would charge at 160kW (800v x 200a) and a Model Y would charge at 70-80kW (350v-400v x 200a).

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#2932179 20-Jun-2022 14:16

RobDickinson:

mattwnz:

From what I have read, EVs coming out of China in coming years will have 1000 +km ranges on a single charge , so this maybe the more standard range long term. I understand some of the upcoming Mitsubishis in teh coming years will have some very long ranges and and are being built in China.

That particular EV is supposed to have a 150kw battery. At 7kw it will take 20 hours to charge! OH no you say! But 1000km will take you 12-14+ hours of driving in NZ, where and how often are you doing that?

Its not down to the pack size but how much you drive and thats typically not much vs 7kw overnight charging.

For sure if you get a 200kwh truck and tow things all day eveyr day for work you'll need better but that isnt normal.

There is something nice about being able to fully recharge, or close to it in a 10 hour or so overnight window.

In terms of home charging, most of the more desirable EV's in NZ can do cira 7kW at 32a single phase, or 11kW at 16A on three phase.

For the long range EV6 (72kWH useable @ 95% efficiency, that 7kW would take just under 9 hours for a 10% -100% charge which is pretty perfect).

I personally think 7kW home charging is fine up to about 110kWh usable. 10 hours overnight is good for 25% - 85% which still gives a nearly full battery.

Over a 110kWh usable battery, faster home charging would be nice. But as RobDickinson mentions, you are getting into increasingly rare use cases.

Frequently come home with a near flat battery on my 100km range leaf, and want the full 100km range the next day, but with a modern large battery EV, doing two 500+ driving days in a row is quite a bit less likely. One use case example would be towing.

One use case where fast home charging is important on a big battery EV is Towing. Tow something big with your 180kWh (total, use able unknown as not yet for sale, but lets assume 170kWh) Rivian R1T, and your 640km range could well drop to say 210km. Doing 80km each way to a launching point at the lake or coast is quite a reasonable day trip that people might want to do back to back (leaves a 50km safety buffer in this example).

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#2933367 23-Jun-2022 07:14

Noticed the EV6 advert in between OneNews and 7Sharp yesterday

https://youtu.be/NXCTNN_rIAQ

The little things make the biggest difference.

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#2935671 28-Jun-2022 21:10

I got a phone call from the Kia dealership here in Auckland (northshore)

Black Pearl Earth AWD available for July registration, after a cancelled order. I have first dibs on it if I wish.

Kept with the October preorder as the budget\ earn forecast allows ;-)

I can imagine it will be snapped up now, but if you wanted... you can give Kia Northshore a call... then again it was in the Kia NZ system so could be anywhere!

The little things make the biggest difference.

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#2962320 2-Sep-2022 12:14

Price cut on RWD trims.

Original and previous pricing

New Pricing:

Critically moves the Air RWD LR back into rebate territory (assume they have just forgotten to update that bit of the web site). Brings the EV6 RWD LR back into serious contention with the Base Tesla Model Y.

Assume that their sales dropped to the floor with the EV6 RWD LR moving out of rebate teritory, combined with the release of the model Y, and the New niro pricing (both substantially cheaper and longer range than EV6 RWD SR).

Price differential between the RWD SR and RWD LR has dropped to just $3k. Don't imagine many people will be opting for the SR. The $3k upgrade buys a motor power increase from 125kW to 168kW, a range increase from 394km to 528km, and a tow rating increase from 750kg to 1600kg)

Also brings the price closer to the Niro ($67,990 - $73,990 +ORC) - Air trim of the EV6 is a better match to the high end of that range

And for those who don't want to read back through the thread a quick comparison with the model Y.

Advantage EV6 RWD LR:

Much longer real world range
800v fast charging
Better turning circle
Nicer styling
Much better acoustics performance on chip seal
Conventional stuff like dashboard and key fobs
Vehicle to load (16Amps 230v, to run stuff like drop saw's, angle griders, kettles etc)
different colors free

Advantage Model Y SR:

Much faster
Much more boot and frunk space
Tesla tech (like the built in dash cam's)
Access to supercharging network.
Much lighter.
LPF battery should degrade slower, and can be charged to 100% daily.
More efficient
Heat pump

And a good Aussie shootout of the two cars

https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/comparisons/2022-tesla-model-y-vs-kia-ev6-comparison-review

"against its 528km claim, the Kia was tracking toward 478kms of real-world range. Meanwhile, the Tesla, with its 455km claim, would run dry at around 334kms."

"Another key factor is efficiency. And with that, the Tesla returned a more favourable figure of 15kWh/100km during assessed running against the Kia’s on-test result of 16.8kWh/100km."

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#2962348 2-Sep-2022 13:43

Reckon it might be too little too late for the EV6.

I took one home on the weekend the MY came out. Didn't realise the MY had been released and it wasnt really on my radar.

Kia wanted me to fork out a $4000 non refundable deposit with no estimated delivery. Overseas reports were up to 12months which is a lot of time to have a deposit tied up.

The car looks much better than the MY but the lack of customisation of the instrument screen and the poor in car ventilation ( turning the temp dial doesnt provide hot air. Need to push a separate heater button!) annoyed me for such an expensive car.

Ended up ordering a MY for only $400 down. Had an estimated del date which has now been brought forward 3 months.

I reckon a lot of potential EV purchasers have now made their choice and the market for expensive EV's will slow down for the forseeable future in line with the ICE car market.

Kia missed a trick.

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#2962360 2-Sep-2022 14:21

Thanks for sharing your experience. Other than the heater interface annoyance, how did you find the car?

Would be quite interesting to hear a comparison when your model Y order turns up.

I think the deposit amount varies by dealership. (Kia newmarket was asking for $2k on the day of the price increase).

I imagine that the delivery times for EV6's over the coming months will become quite quick. leading to short wait times, and making deposit sizing a non issue.

As you say, the initial surge of people wanting a 5 seater largish EV SUV as soon as possible, has already gone, with the EV6, Ioniq 5 & Model Y lapping up the business.

Massive surge on EV's in the wake of the Ukraine invasion, has also slowed as petrol prices have fallen.

And action in the segment below might swing some buyers away from the EV6. New (well since EV6 orders opened) pricing on Niro, along with Atto3 deliveries starting, and approaching delivery date of MG ZS EV.

And of course there are a whole raft of new EV's in the same segment as the EV6 projected. I.D.4 platform stuff, (skoda ENYAQ iV being displayed at newmarket westfeild I hear), bZ4X plafrorm stuff (subaru has landed the first Solterra, and talking up getting an AWD model under the $80k rebate cap in 2023), And Ford commuted to bringing in the Mach E.

All of this will mean that demand for the EV6 will be a lot weaker now than it was back in April. But yes, if Kia could have delivered the cars by their hundreds in April, they would have sold a heap.

I still feel the EV6 RWD LR is a strong offering at a rebate eligible price point. But it is going to be one of the crowd soon.

It's only the greater cargo space that would swing my decision towards the model Y if I was going to order today.

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#2962362 2-Sep-2022 14:43

Scott3:

Thanks for sharing your experience. Other than the heater interface annoyance, how did you find the car?

Would be quite interesting to hear a comparison when your model Y order turns up.

Despite being a big car it didnt feel that big inside due to the dark interior. The MY definitely feels roomier due to the glass roof. The kia drove well. We used it at night to ferry my daughter to the her ball in the pouring rain. Squeaky bum time to ensure we didnt crash. It was very quiet. I have only driven.

The big battery and the outlet under the rear seat were plus points. Also a towbar was quoted as only $1400. We camp so all these were pluses. No wireless carplay was disappointing. You would expect wireless carplay in a modern $80K car.

I know MY doesn't have this either disappointingly but the tesla screen works a bit better.

Unfortunately the raking boot cut down useable space and we have 2 dogs to squeeze in the boot. Replacing a Tiguan so the MY boot/frunk space was a big plus.

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#2962389 2-Sep-2022 15:31

mortonman:

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Unfortunately the raking boot cut down useable space and we have 2 dogs to squeeze in the boot. Replacing a Tiguan so the MY boot/frunk space was a big plus.

This seems like a common trend amount prospective buyers.

People shopping for largish 5 seat SUV's want a lots of boot space.

I think this is one area Kia got wrong with the EV6, the rear is both the worst angle styling wise, and has compromised space.

Wonder if they could do a wagon version with more vertical glass?

Or do something like the below.

Electric Kia Truck render for U.S.

[edit] - I am probiably overthinking this. Given the Ioniq 5 has more vertical glass, there is probiably little value in kia making an EV6 wagon. A unibody ute would be nice though, but probiably with a different model name.

I imagine pritty much every brand has a 7 seater EV SUV under development, which will pull double duty as a large boot 5 seat SUV (either in a 5 seat version, or with the third row folded or removed.

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