Perhaps the rate payers could help out with the $3-4m we'd need for a h2 filling station. 

RobDickinson:

 

Perhaps the rate payers could help out with the $3-4m we'd need for a h2 filling station. 

 

"a contender to be mayor of Christchurch next year"

God hep CHCH if this guy gets to be mayor.
He has no issues overspending money on dead end ideas

I believe there is a covert agenda here. If he has $150,000 on a current white elephant he clearly has the ability to earn and accumulate money. Is he a front for someone pushing an agenda or he himself is pushing an agenda. There are two alternative energy camps forming, battery EV and Hydrogen EV. This will play out similar to VHS v Beta Max.

Edit; I had a brain fart when I first posted and hit post before I finished.   

RobDickinson:

 

The idiot cold have bought a kona EV for half the price and been able to charge it at home with renewable power.

 

*Mostly-renewable.  We import and burn coal to produce some of our electricity.

That very rarely gets to the south island - and any hydrogen generated would be at least 3-4 times worse than any BEV using grid electricity to generate h2

RobDickinson:

 

That very rarely gets to the south island - and any hydrogen generated would be at least 3-4 times worse than any BEV using grid electricity to generate h2

 

If you get a carbon footprint calculated or a products life cycle emissions calculated, they look at whole grid emissions.  There are no ifs buts or maybes.  So around 20% of electricity is non-renewable.  

If you look at an extremely generalised view averaged over a whole country more specific actual use is thrown out of the window...

tdgeek:

 

Linux: Maybe he should of thought about this before buying it

 

He did. So it wasn't a buy then an OMG moment

 

“I knew in the back of my mind it was going to be tricky, but I thought, ‘I’ve got to have the first one of these and be at the forefront’,” he said.

 

 

 

Looks to me that half the reason he bought this one was so he could get a story to highlight the lack of hydrogen infrastructure in the South Island. The discussion and publicity around it is what he was actually buying.

I wonder how much a small scale hydrogen generator would cost to set up. He probably has something in the pipeline if it is feasible to build one for home use to refuel his car.

Varkk:

 

He probably has something in the pipeline if it is feasible to build one for home use to refuel his car.

 

It's not.

Things you dont want at home:

700bar hydrogen storage

Varkk:

 

Looks to me that half the reason he bought this one was so he could get a story to highlight the lack of hydrogen infrastructure in the South Island. The discussion and publicity around it is what he was actually buying.

 

I wonder how much a small scale hydrogen generator would cost to set up. He probably has something in the pipeline if it is feasible to build one for home use to refuel his car.

 

I know through work that your own electrolyser is going to cost you around 100k.

Don't have any details on hand about output quantity.

I guess you can always have more than one if you need more gas.

RobDickinson:

 

Things you dont want at home:

 

 

 

700bar hydrogen storage

 

It's safe until you forget it is dangerous.

Store a lot of energy in one place and sometime sh*t happens.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/126225348/the-burning-question-why-do-ev-battery-fires-happen

elpenguino:

 

RobDickinson:

 

Things you dont want at home:

 

 

 

700bar hydrogen storage

 

 

It's safe until you forget it is dangerous.

 

Store a lot of energy in one place and sometime sh*t happens.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/126225348/the-burning-question-why-do-ev-battery-fires-happen

 

 

 

Given there have been several notable hydrogen filling station explosions around the world at 'flagship' large scale sites and that at any one time about half of California's filling stations are offline or broke I think I'll take my chances with BEVs that have 10 times less chance of catching fire than a fossil car. 

elpenguino:

 

 

 

It's safe until you forget it is dangerous.

 

Store a lot of energy in one place and sometime sh*t happens.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/126225348/the-burning-question-why-do-ev-battery-fires-happen

 

 

 

Kinda like a tank full of petrol or worse half filled with petrol. I sometimes muse that if history was different and say Ford or Benz were trying to launch petrol powered vehicles now would they get the green light? I think it would be a resounding 'Oh hell no'

RobDickinson: Theres a few reasons I could suggest you'd buy a kona, you need a hatchback,.