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#3025896 23-Jan-2023 18:21

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@GV27

This dealership article here claims "25-minute fast charge via Type 2 AC port with locking function" but how can that be, maybe it was a typo and they meant via the DC Chademo port?

Yeah, that is an error, Contradicted higher up in the article. For reference fast charging = DC charging, and Mode 3 = AC wallbox, given it charges twice as fast than on an 8A cord, the onboard charger will max out at around 16A / 3.6kW

more than 250 Fast Charge stations around the country. This network, which enables a quick battery recharge from 0 to 80% in around
25 minutes, continues to grow and has broadened the possibilities for PHEV owners looking to go further in pure EV mode.

Charging can also be done via a household outlet in approximately seven hours, or in around four hours using Mode 3 charging.

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Thx for that plugshare link. I did find it but you're prompted me to now successfully apply the filter

@RunningMan and @GV27 So it would appear fast charging a Eclispe Cross on Type 2 will be slow where a Chademo doesn't exist right?

NB: It seems Mitsibishi don't like to make detailed technical specifications easily and readily available

Many brands are guilty of this, and not just for EV specs. One would thing things like Payload (or GVM & tare), towbar max down force etc should appear on spec sheets, but they regularly don't.

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#3025952 23-Jan-2023 23:20

Eclipse Cross Owner here, I charged up in Taupo in December took about 20 minutes to get to 80% with the Type 2 from a public charger

Correction it was a Chademo charge

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#3025954 23-Jan-2023 23:43

Starlith:

Eclipse Cross Owner here, I charged up in Taupo in December took about 20 minutes to get to 80% with the Type 2 from a public charger

Something doesn't quite stack up here. An AC charge (using the type 2 socket, left on below image), should take around 4 hours (assuming a 3.6kW charger), a DC charge, using the CHadeMO port (right in below image, and pictured plug) should take around the time you took).

Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross PHEV review: plug and play - Reviews - Driven

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#3025976 24-Jan-2023 06:27

Starlith:

Eclipse Cross Owner here, I charged up in Taupo in December took about 20 minutes to get to 80% with the Type 2 from a public charger

I was looking at the specs for the Eclipse Cross PHEV. It states 13.8kWh as its battery capacity with 11kWh usable (ref from wallbox charging website). I’m assuming the 2.8kWh difference is the headroom to provide battery protection at both the top and bottom of the charging range. 11kWh for 45km range is an efficiency of 244Wh/km, which I guess would be about right for something that isn’t pure EV.
8.8kWh in 20 minutes would require a charger capable of 26.4kW (the point Scott3 was making I think).

Out of interest, what sort of litres/100km are you getting in your Eclipse Cross once the battery is depleted? This vehicle is on my shortlist if we go with a PHEV.

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#3026020 24-Jan-2023 09:39

Starlith:

Eclipse Cross Owner here, I charged up in Taupo in December took about 20 minutes to get to 80% with the Type 2 from a public charger

Only if the battery was at about 70%. If it was at 0, then it will take a couple of hours over type 2.

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#3026236 24-Jan-2023 12:59

Dingbatt:

Out of interest, what sort of litres/100km are you getting in your Eclipse Cross once the battery is depleted? This vehicle is on my shortlist if we go with a PHEV.

This review provides some insight into real world PHEV economy

It perhaps echos what I read of much concern (at least in the US) around PHEVs are not achieving the benefits expected to the environment due to many simply being lazy and not charging regular. Interestingly in NZ a PHEV get a reasonable rebate but unlike a BEV the eco benefit are not guaranteed

Why are Mitsi still using Chademo in 2022?

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#3026248 24-Jan-2023 13:20

xlinknz:

Why are Mitsi still using Chademo in 2022?

This. Lots. At least the type 1 has been ditched for type 2, but just go all the way for type 2 CCS.

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#3026256 24-Jan-2023 13:50

Japan?

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#3026643 24-Jan-2023 19:27

RunningMan:

Starlith:

Eclipse Cross Owner here, I charged up in Taupo in December took about 20 minutes to get to 80% with the Type 2 from a public charger

Only if the battery was at about 70%. If it was at 0, then it will take a couple of hours over type 2.

it was at or near zero, done a trip from Wellington to Whakatane and back to Wellington over christmas, maybe guestimating it a bit but roughly 30 minutes got us to our max capacity from or near zero percent to the max at 80

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#3026644 24-Jan-2023 19:31

Scott3:

Starlith:

Eclipse Cross Owner here, I charged up in Taupo in December took about 20 minutes to get to 80% with the Type 2 from a public charger

Something doesn't quite stack up here. An AC charge (using the type 2 socket, left on below image), should take around 4 hours (assuming a 3.6kW charger), a DC charge, using the CHadeMO port (right in below image, and pictured plug) should take around the time you took).

Sorry I was incorrect it was the Chademo I used, they really need to do just one charger to do it all

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#3026676 24-Jan-2023 21:14

Starlith:

Sorry I was incorrect it was the Chademo I used, they really need to do just one charger to do it all

@starlith how often have you found no public chademo when you went to charge?

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#3026679 24-Jan-2023 21:23

Dingbatt:
Starlith:

Eclipse Cross Owner here, I charged up in Taupo in December took about 20 minutes to get to 80% with the Type 2 from a public charger

I was looking at the specs for the Eclipse Cross PHEV. It states 13.8kWh as its battery capacity with 11kWh usable (ref from wallbox charging website). I’m assuming the 2.8kWh difference is the headroom to provide battery protection at both the top and bottom of the charging range. 11kWh for 45km range is an efficiency of 244Wh/km, which I guess would be about right for something that isn’t pure EV.
8.8kWh in 20 minutes would require a charger capable of 26.4kW (the point Scott3 was making I think).

Out of interest, what sort of litres/100km are you getting in your Eclipse Cross once the battery is depleted? This vehicle is on my shortlist if we go with a PHEV.

@dingbatt I think you are missing decimal point from your calculation. 244kWh/km is fairly expensive motoring.

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#3026681 24-Jan-2023 21:44

larknz: [snip] @dingbatt I think you are missing decimal point from your calculation. 244kWh/km is fairly expensive motoring.

That's becasuse you changed the units to kWh/km. @dingbatt had the usual Wh/km.

Dingbatt:[snip] 11kWh for 45km range is an efficiency of 244Wh/km,

About right for that size vehicle.

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#3026682 24-Jan-2023 21:47

You are right, it's funny how you see what you are expecting

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#3026810 25-Jan-2023 07:19

I’m certainly not immune to being orders of magnitude out when expressing calculations!

It isn’t helped by energy use by EVs being expressed as Wh/km, kWh/100km, miles/kWh, eMPG(US), eMPG(imp).

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