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#2708861 18-May-2021 10:18

SaltyNZ: ... Any current power shortage is unrelated to a ban on issuing new gas exploration permits in future.

While technically at this exact moment in time you are correct, we are presently suffering from a gas shortage, which is causing higher power prices (and higher emissions) and is exactly what we will be facing year on year going forward due to the running down of the gas feilds, and the discouragement to invest in gas exploration. Yes it is presently a dry year and that is exacerbating power prices, but in a normal year ~20% of electricity comes from gas, so even if it was a normal year for the hydrolakes power prices would still have risen due to the gas problems, just not as much.

But the point is not that we should be drilling for gas, the point is that we are creating impediments to a carbony energy sources without removing synthetic legal impeadiments for commerically viable green energy sources, so our incompetent leaders are putting the energy system and economy out of balance and we are already starting to suffer from energy shortages. In fact we have been importing coal for Indonesia to make electricty, which is madness on many many levels (even if you're not environmental inclined) and needlessly detracts from the advantages of operating EV's.

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#2708864 18-May-2021 10:28

tripper1000:

Of course the Nat's would reverse it, not because it is fundimentally a bad idea, but because it will be a fundimentally incomplete solution and will damage the economy.

Naw, they would reverse it just because it's a Labour policy. It won't damage the economy because by 2050 no-one will want to drive an ICEV anyway. BEVs will be better and cheaper, there will be plenty of recharging stations, and much fewer petrol stations. Even though crude oil prices will tank, petrol will be more expensive as economies of scale disappear.

Much like they have banned natural gas exploration without facilitating green alternatives and now there is a power shortage, wholesale power prices are spiking through the roof and we will have energy poverty very soon.

I agree it's like the gas exploration ban, but not in the way you suggest. The key thing in both cases is that the ban is irrelevant. Peak oil has passed, and globally there is more available now than will ever be used. Who will want to explore for more in a remote area where extraction costs will be high and no demand?

Incidentally, green alternatives are being facilitated... e.g. insulation of homes, pumped storage.

"National grid operator Transpower says the hydro lake levels are at 67 percent of where they would normally be at this time of year, but there is no cause for worry yet."

Rather than "spiking through the roof", wholesale electricity prices are lower now than a year ago.

Given that we are dependent for most of our electricity on the climate remaining temperate, it really is a good idea to do something to minimise climate change.

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#2708928 18-May-2021 11:55

frankv:

It won't damage the economy because by 2050 no-one will want to drive an ICEV anyway. BEVs will be better and cheaper, there will be plenty of recharging stations, and much fewer petrol stations.

I have to agree with this, 30 years from now is a long way out. There is plenty of time between now & then for BEVs to get better & cheaper.

I was thinking about my current car (2015 24kWh Leaf) and how it has been incredibly cheap to commute to work & back with that car (36km to work, 36km home, 72km per day, 360km per week). BUT the battery is being worn out because the car only has a realistic range at 100kph (110kph on speedo) of 90-100km which means that driving 360km in a week is equal to around 4 complete cycles of the battery. If I drive to work for 46 weeks each year (52 weeks minus annual leave and stats) then just to commute I'm going through 184 charge cycles per year which means it only takes ~5.5 years to go through 1,000 cycles. No wonder my battery has dropped from 12 bars to 10 bars in the almost 4 years I've had it.

With newer BEVs with more range like the 64kWh Kona, they would only go through one complete charge cycle per week. That means it would take ~20 years to go through 1,000 charge cycles. I'm doubtful that active cooling is necessary where I live, if I don't do multiple fast charges on one trip, but a higher capacity battery should definitely last longer when used for the same amount of driving. I could also charge a higher capacity battery to a lower level (70% or 80% would be plenty to get me to work & back) and if I charged to 70% each day and got home with 50% then the battery would last even longer because of spending all it's time at a more medium level SoC.

Really I just bought the Leaf because it works out to be a cheap commuter. As longer range cars get cheaper then I'll look to change and I'm sure plenty of other car users will start looking at them too. A longer range car would be great for longer trips, but also for handling a regular commute without putting the battery through so many charge cycles. If newer EVs have newer technology in their batteries that gives longer life as well as longer range - maybe we'll end up with BEVs that are capable of being on the road for 30 years on the original battery. With longer range we don't even need fast chargers all that often, most people will charge at home, even for a longer round trip like Waikato-Auckland-Waikato. Twice in the last few weeks I've borrowed my mother's Corolla instead of using my Leaf, going to Auckland and back is annoying when you have to add in 3 or 4 fast charges. I've also been to Auckland for the EV expo and I took the motorbike rather than the Leaf. If I could buy a 3 or 4 year old 64kWh Kona in a couple of years then I'd be happy to use that for an Auckland trip.

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#2710221 20-May-2021 15:06

OK, so the government has set aside $300 million of capital ( over 4 years) to

Incentivising Uptake of Low-Emission Vehicles
This initiative will build demand for buyers of zero and low-emission vehicles. This funding will enable Waka Kotahi to implement the system, and is being held as a tagged contingency while design work is completed.

So we now have an envelope, the question is what policies can they fit into it, @$3000/vehicle it could fund up to 100,000 cars over 4 years (25K per year)... whether this is funded all from the Govt, or if some comes in the backdoor via a Feebate is not clear...

mattwnz

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#2710227 20-May-2021 15:25

wellygary:

OK, so the government has set aside $300 million of capital ( over 4 years) to

Incentivising Uptake of Low-Emission Vehicles
This initiative will build demand for buyers of zero and low-emission vehicles. This funding will enable Waka Kotahi to implement the system, and is being held as a tagged contingency while design work is completed.

So we now have an envelope, the question is what policies can they fit into it, @$3000/vehicle it could fund up to 100,000 cars over 4 years (25K per year)... whether this is funded all from the Govt, or if some comes in the backdoor via a Feebate is not clear...

It needs to be done in a way so dealers don't just put their prices up by a similar amount. Hope it isn't instead going to be used for advertising campaigns etc, and instead is going to make these cars cheaper. As most people seem to buy second hand cars, it is important that we get these filtering through to the second hand market. My fear is that EVs may not have the same sort of long life as petrol cars, because of the batteries needing replacement, and just the reliability long term of the tech in them .

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#2710242 20-May-2021 15:41

wellygary:

OK, so the government has set aside $300 million of capital ( over 4 years) to

Incentivising Uptake of Low-Emission Vehicles
This initiative will build demand for buyers of zero and low-emission vehicles. This funding will enable Waka Kotahi to implement the system, and is being held as a tagged contingency while design work is completed.

So we now have an envelope, the question is what policies can they fit into it, @$3000/vehicle it could fund up to 100,000 cars over 4 years (25K per year)... whether this is funded all from the Govt, or if some comes in the backdoor via a Feebate is not clear...

Or it can include $100M for consultancy, $100M for marketing, and $100M for Waka Kotahi for administration.

mattwnz

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#2710275 20-May-2021 16:37

frankv:

wellygary:

OK, so the government has set aside $300 million of capital ( over 4 years) to

Incentivising Uptake of Low-Emission Vehicles
This initiative will build demand for buyers of zero and low-emission vehicles. This funding will enable Waka Kotahi to implement the system, and is being held as a tagged contingency while design work is completed.

So we now have an envelope, the question is what policies can they fit into it, @$3000/vehicle it could fund up to 100,000 cars over 4 years (25K per year)... whether this is funded all from the Govt, or if some comes in the backdoor via a Feebate is not clear...

Or it can include $100M for consultancy, $100M for marketing, and $100M for Waka Kotahi for administration.

Am I the first one who has never heard of Waka Kotahi before? When did they change the name? These name changes are getting really confusing. They seen to have done the same thing with housing.

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#2710277 20-May-2021 16:42

mattwnz:
Am I the first one who has never heard of Waka Kotahi before? When did they change the name? These name changes are getting really confusing. They seen to have done the same thing with housing.

It's on all their correspondence in regards to vehicle licensing and registration, on their TV road safety ads, their vehicles and their website. There is a good chance you've seen it without realising it.

mattwnz

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#2710280 20-May-2021 16:52

Ge0rge:
mattwnz:

Am I the first one who has never heard of Waka Kotahi before? When did they change the name? These name changes are getting really confusing. They seen to have done the same thing with housing.

It's on all their correspondence in regards to vehicle licensing and registration, on their TV road safety ads, their vehicles and their website. There is a good chance you've seen it without realising it.

I don't own a car at the moment, and don't watch TV (unless skipping through the ads) so that could be why. But one would have thought they would change the domain name, as it is still NZTA. Unlike Kainga Ora. where they did change the domain.

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#2710678 21-May-2021 11:39

This looks like a promising development. It is described a lot like an electric vehicle specifically designed to appeal to rednecks. If it is everything they say, it could be a game-changer.

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wellygary

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#2710684 21-May-2021 11:52

mattwnz:

Am I the first one who has never heard of Waka Kotahi before? When did they change the name? These name changes are getting really confusing. They seen to have done the same thing with housing.

Legally they haven't, its basically a rebrand....

Regional councils have been doing for years.... down this was they try to call themselves the "Greater Wellington Regional Council"... only problem is that leally they can only enforce rates demands as "the Wellington regional council"

In Canterbury they use Ecan, but legally they are the Canterbury Regional Council, .. IN manawatu "Horizons" is the preferred brand, but legallyt they are still Manawatū–Whanganui Regional Council

Vic Uni keep trying it on too, emphasising the "Wellington" despite being told to take a flying leap at renaming by the Minister of Education...

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#2710691 21-May-2021 12:03

Rikkitic:

This looks like a promising development. It is described a lot like an electric vehicle specifically designed to appeal to rednecks. If it is everything they say, it could be a game-changer.

The base model starts at $39,974 — and that’s before factoring in tax incentives for electric vehicles. Including those incentives, such as a $7,500 federal tax credit, the Lightning is expected to be one of the least expensive full-size pickups on the market, gas or electric, when it hits the road next year.

Makes you wonder why most EV cars are a huge premium. Yes you have the batteries, but you dont have an expensive engine and transmission, thats replaced by a 20 part electric engine

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#2710694 21-May-2021 12:18

Except the sub $40K model of the Lightning is a ‘Bait and Switch’ vehicle that won’t be available until 12 months after initial release (if ever - like the sub $30K Tesla). The cheapest will be the XLT which is $US50K+.

So if they ever came to NZ you are talking $NZ100K-200K.

However, I hope it flows down to Ranger sized vehicles.

By the way Rikkitic, who described as being designed for rednecks? Or was that just your opinion? I think it is one of the top selling vehicles in the US in its ICE format.

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#2710747 21-May-2021 12:28

Dingbatt:

By the way Rikkitic, who described as being designed for rednecks? ... I think it is one of the top selling vehicles in the US in its ICE format.

I think you just answered your own question.

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#2710750 21-May-2021 12:32

Dingbatt:

By the way Rikkitic, who described as being designed for rednecks? Or was that just your opinion? I think it is one of the top selling vehicles in the US in its ICE format.

I was being tongue in cheek. Don't take it personally. The Washington Post says the same thing, though they put it more diplomatically: "The Lightning will be a better, faster, more functional and more affordable truck that can appeal to red-staters and blue-collar workers." Rednecks, in other words.

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