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#2748422 22-Jul-2021 22:21

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Afik most leafs only have 3kw charging right?

Most of the old shape ex-japan ones (like mine) have 3.3kW AC charging.

Some of the ex UK old shape ones have 6.6kW AC charging.

I think all of the new shape (40 & 62kWh) ones have 6.6kW AC charging.

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#2748430 22-Jul-2021 22:37

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gzt:Yup. This is very conventional acceleration for a medium SUV type vehicle
For an ICE, yes. For EV? No.

I see nothing wrong with parity in this area. If beating ICE at acceleration is your benchmark then it's not the EV for you. As the driver of an ancient Toyota Prius this aspect does not bother me at all and the Mazda would be a vast improvement in most respects. The reviews are excellent.

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#2748431 22-Jul-2021 22:57

gzt: and this provides more predictability for range and economy calculations. I actually think this is an advantage for many drivers.

jarledb: You are really reaching for arguments for the Mazda, aren't you?

I'm happy to be discussing EVs in this topic for a change instead of all the random stuff that's for sure.

I honestly think Mazda might be on to something with the right-sizing. For instance - 200km is all I need for a busy day around town and personally I can charge at home so that suits me.

There are a whole range of perfectly valid reasons why someone would not buy one if it does not suit their needs or budget. From my perspective it's good to see some diversity in the market.

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#2748433 22-Jul-2021 23:09

gzt: I see nothing wrong with parity in this area. If beating ICE at acceleration is your benchmark then it's not the EV for you. As the driver of an ancient Toyota Prius this aspect does not bother me at all and the Mazda would be a vast improvement in most respects. The reviews are excellent.

Horses for courses. If it meets your requirements I see no problem with your choice. If I was buying an SUV I certainly wouldn't be buying it for performance. Straight line acceleration is one thing, handling is another.Their C of G is too high to start with.

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#2748439 22-Jul-2021 23:47

gzt:
gzt: and this provides more predictability for range and economy calculations. I actually think this is an advantage for many drivers.

I'm happy to be discussing EVs in this topic for a change instead of all the random stuff that's for sure.

I honestly think Mazda might be on to something with the right-sizing. For instance - 200km is all I need for a busy day around town and personally I can charge at home so that suits me.

There are a whole range of perfectly valid reasons why someone would not buy one if it does not suit their needs or budget. From my perspective it's good to see some diversity in the market.

IMO the range and batteries in EVs is the issue at the moment, and people need to think about waste. I had read that the this model in the future will have more range on newer models, and this is apparently their first EV model. I did look at this model some time ago when it was announced, but I see it more of an introduction model.
In real world conditions, are you going to get 200km from it? Also what will the range be in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years etc? If the range is longer to begin with, will the range over time remain relatively high?. Eg if a car has a range of 600km, and over 10 years it loses over 50% of it's range, then it will still be usable at 200-300km. Whereas a car with 200km range may almost be unusable if it lost 50-60% of the range. Then will it be economic to replace the batteries?

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#2748440 22-Jul-2021 23:58

Technofreak:

Horses for courses. If it meets your requirements I see no problem with your choice. If I was buying an SUV I certainly wouldn't be buying it for performance. Straight line acceleration is one thing, handling is another.Their C of G is too high to start with.

Not sure about the Mazda, it seems to be a retro-fitted EV vs the real EV platforms that VW (id.3/id.4), Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, Tesla etc. are built on.

The "pure-breed" EVs have the battery at the lowest point of the car and the SUVs handle well through corners. They do have the weight counting against them, but in real world - not on track - use that difference is probably not something you will ever experience.

I have a friend who is a real sports car fan. He has had a lot of them and driven them on track. He was VERY impressed with the Jaguar I-PACE, which he thought handled like a very expensive sports car. (I think he compared it with an Aston Martin DB11 in handling).

So don't discount the pure-breed EV SUVs for their handling.

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#2748441 23-Jul-2021 00:02

Way too much generalisation in those battery questions. It really is time to ask specific questions about specific cars and specific models.

They are all different depending on many factors which will probably now be listed all over again, and some more debate and generalisations.

As as a starting point the Mazda has an 8 year 160kkm battery warranty, in NZ. Overseas reviewers have noted they were easily able to exceed the rated 200km range. Keen to see some NZ reviews when they come around.

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#2748446 23-Jul-2021 00:25

gzt: Way too much generalisation in those battery questions. It really is time to ask specific questions about specific cars and specific models.

They are all different depending on many factors which will probably now be listed all over again, and some more debate and generalisations.

As as a starting point the Mazda has an 8 year 160kkm battery warranty, in NZ. Overseas reviewers have noted they were easily able to exceed the rated 200km range. Keen to see some NZ reviews when they come around.

What can the range of the battery reduce to, within that 8 year warranty period? I have heard of some brands where the battery has depleted quite a bit within 5 years. As these batteries are still quite a new technology, there are a lot of unknowns for the kiwi consumer. I think in a few years tehre are going to be some far better options coming out.

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#2748448 23-Jul-2021 01:24

mattwnz:

That can the range of the battery reduce to, within that 8 year warranty period?

This is what Mazda say about the battery warranty on the MX30:

"Mazda provides an 8-year / 160,000km battery warranty (whichever occurs first), at 70% of original battery capacity"

Given 170 KM real world range of a new battery, you are looking at 119 KM range when the battery is at 70%.

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#2748526 23-Jul-2021 08:06

The Mazda has a liquid cooled battery system. I expect the warranty is a bit conservative as battery warranty tends to be rather than representing typical use cases.

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#2748528 23-Jul-2021 08:10

It does and it should be OK if they have got things right, theres no guarantee of that yet but similar packs in the i3 etc are aging well.

But driving this in winter etc on the south island you'll be looking at 160km range or so.

Absolutely fine for a city car but this is $75k.

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#2748690 23-Jul-2021 12:34

jarledb:

This is what Mazda say about the battery warranty on the MX30:

"Mazda provides an 8-year / 160,000km battery warranty (whichever occurs first), at 70% of original battery capacity"

Given 170 KM real world range of a new battery, you are looking at 119 KM range when the battery is at 70%.

Which incidentally, is the same warranty Tesla has on their battery pack.

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