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#1325195 15-Jun-2015 16:35

The issue I have with the "random" stops in streets is the length of time they are allowed to hold you up for. I have waited over 5 mins in a queue at one of them once. Causes massive hassles for traffic.

The WOF/Rego could be automated, no need to stop and them look at the things on the car, just scan the license plate and query. pull the ones over that fail that.

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#1325303 15-Jun-2015 20:35

richms: The WOF/Rego could be automated, no need to stop and them look at the things on the car, just scan the license plate and query. pull the ones over that fail that.

You'd think that it would be at this day and age.

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#1325312 15-Jun-2015 20:47

lNomNoml:
richms: The WOF/Rego could be automated, no need to stop and them look at the things on the car, just scan the license plate and query. pull the ones over that fail that.

You'd think that it would be at this day and age.

Takes lots of money unfortunately...and the Police don't have any. Never mind the privacy/security implications government agencies are always under the spotlight about. I agree it should be easy, but we all know that massive IT infrastructure, especially mobile, is a bit harder to implement nationwide.

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#1325314 15-Jun-2015 20:49

They already have vans out there doing it. just need to slap the same cameras ontop of the patrol car they park up with, or put it on a plain one a few100m ahead and have it radio them with the description/rego of any lapsed ones for them to pop out and wave over.

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#1325337 15-Jun-2015 21:21

richms: They already have vans out there doing it. just need to slap the same cameras ontop of the patrol car they park up with, or put it on a plain one a few100m ahead and have it radio them with the description/rego of any lapsed ones for them to pop out and wave over.

There are not enough to go around, and they still require an officer to make the stop and issue the ticket, not quite automated, and IIRC a law change would be needed to do this also.

I can just imagine the outcry when Police spend millions on ANPR cameras then use it for issuing $100 tickets for rego's. ANPR cameras are normally tasked for more serious safety and criminal matters.

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#1325345 15-Jun-2015 21:26

They could also use it to ID cars that are not matching the plate etc. Not sure if they could get it down to the model of a car but certainly should be able to get a plate off a black car making alarms when its put on a yellow one etc.

Seems like it could free oficers up to do actual crime investigation.

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#1325612 16-Jun-2015 10:44

scuwp: Takes lots of money unfortunately...and the Police don't have any. Never mind the privacy/security implications government agencies are always under the spotlight about. I agree it should be easy, but we all know that massive IT infrastructure, especially mobile, is a bit harder to implement nationwide.

I 'think' the suggestion that the police are short of money is just wrong.

I think how the budget is being spent is wrong.

What does a police officer cost to have on the road? $200,000 a year by the time you count all the stuff that goes with them?

What is one of these road side stops costing per vehicle when you figure it all out?

Someone here talked about the 5 minute queue. How many officers does it take just to martial traffic and then do all this checking?

Again, I fully support the breath testing. That has proven to be a massive problem that just costs lots of lives, but I don't support these warrant and registration checks.

I also question if we really need expensive officers doing the booze bus checks too. Most of that work looks like stuff that could be done by people paid a fraction of the cost of swarm officers.

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#1325620 16-Jun-2015 10:50

scuwp: There are not enough to go around, and they still require an officer to make the stop and issue the ticket, not quite automated, and IIRC a law change would be needed to do this also.

So get busy and change the law.

Seriously, have you watched Parliament TV? If those guys have time to get up to the name calling and foul language that they do then they have time to address issues like this that are impacting small business owners like this guy.

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#1325640 16-Jun-2015 11:04

richms: The issue I have with the "random" stops in streets is the length of time they are allowed to hold you up for. I have waited over 5 mins in a queue at one of them once. Causes massive hassles for traffic.

The WOF/Rego could be automated, no need to stop and them look at the things on the car, just scan the license plate and query. pull the ones over that fail that.

5 minutes - how often? It isn't like this happens daily. It is annoying but come on.

The time taken to check a sticker/bit of paper - with NO technology required - is trivial - that's why we use them.

Why spend piles of money on tech to fix a problem that isn't there? Let's spend that money on actual policing.

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#1325652 16-Jun-2015 11:20

wasabi2k:
richms: The issue I have with the "random" stops in streets is the length of time they are allowed to hold you up for. I have waited over 5 mins in a queue at one of them once. Causes massive hassles for traffic.

The WOF/Rego could be automated, no need to stop and them look at the things on the car, just scan the license plate and query. pull the ones over that fail that.

5 minutes - how often? It isn't like this happens daily. It is annoying but come on.

The time taken to check a sticker/bit of paper - with NO technology required - is trivial - that's why we use them.

Why spend piles of money on tech to fix a problem that isn't there? Let's spend that money on actual policing.

But the money has already been spent.

That was the point of my post earlier. The police already have all these resources. Number plate scanners, vehicle details on mobile phones, the list goes on.

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#1326466 17-Jun-2015 12:38

DonGould:
scuwp: Takes lots of money unfortunately...and the Police don't have any. Never mind the privacy/security implications government agencies are always under the spotlight about. I agree it should be easy, but we all know that massive IT infrastructure, especially mobile, is a bit harder to implement nationwide.

I 'think' the suggestion that the police are short of money is just wrong.

I think how the budget is being spent is wrong.

What does a police officer cost to have on the road? $200,000 a year by the time you count all the stuff that goes with them?

What is one of these road side stops costing per vehicle when you figure it all out?

Someone here talked about the 5 minute queue. How many officers does it take just to martial traffic and then do all this checking?

Next time a road stop appears ahead, screw a U-ie, and head off in the opposite direction ... all in a legal manner of course ... I'm sure you will have a few flashing red and blues in your rear vision mirror, but will perplex them as to why when you have a fully compliant car and license .... "Aww, I thought there was an accident up ahead..."

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#1326535 17-Jun-2015 14:28

SepticSceptic:
DonGould:
scuwp: Takes lots of money unfortunately...and the Police don't have any. Never mind the privacy/security implications government agencies are always under the spotlight about. I agree it should be easy, but we all know that massive IT infrastructure, especially mobile, is a bit harder to implement nationwide.

I 'think' the suggestion that the police are short of money is just wrong.

I think how the budget is being spent is wrong.

What does a police officer cost to have on the road? $200,000 a year by the time you count all the stuff that goes with them?

What is one of these road side stops costing per vehicle when you figure it all out?

Someone here talked about the 5 minute queue. How many officers does it take just to martial traffic and then do all this checking?

Next time a road stop appears ahead, screw a U-ie, and head off in the opposite direction ... all in a legal manner of course ... I'm sure you will have a few flashing red and blues in your rear vision mirror, but will perplex them as to why when you have a fully compliant car and license .... "Aww, I thought there was an accident up ahead..."

Yep, and be delayed even longer, waste Police time, and prepare for the cavity search as they try to figure out why you ran ;-) Good plan (not)

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#1326579 17-Jun-2015 15:12

scuwp:
SepticSceptic:
DonGould:
scuwp: Takes lots of money unfortunately...and the Police don't have any. Never mind the privacy/security implications government agencies are always under the spotlight about. I agree it should be easy, but we all know that massive IT infrastructure, especially mobile, is a bit harder to implement nationwide.

I 'think' the suggestion that the police are short of money is just wrong.

I think how the budget is being spent is wrong.

What does a police officer cost to have on the road? $200,000 a year by the time you count all the stuff that goes with them?

What is one of these road side stops costing per vehicle when you figure it all out?

Someone here talked about the 5 minute queue. How many officers does it take just to martial traffic and then do all this checking?

Next time a road stop appears ahead, screw a U-ie, and head off in the opposite direction ... all in a legal manner of course ... I'm sure you will have a few flashing red and blues in your rear vision mirror, but will perplex them as to why when you have a fully compliant car and license .... "Aww, I thought there was an accident up ahead..."

Yep, and be delayed even longer, waste Police time, and prepare for the cavity search as they try to figure out why you ran ;-) Good plan (not)

Not usually in a rush to get anywhere, and will also justify their police time. No search without reasonable suspicion...

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#1326604 17-Jun-2015 15:48

SepticSceptic:
Not usually in a rush to get anywhere, and will also justify their police time. No search without reasonable suspicion...

I think a car doing a maneuver to avoid a check point is reasonable suspicion for a stop and search

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#1326905 18-Jun-2015 00:44

DonGould:

But the money has already been spent.

That was the point of my post earlier. The police already have all these resources. Number plate scanners, vehicle details on mobile phones, the list goes on.

No, they really don't have all those resources. ANPR cameras in cars are the exception, not the rule, and cost a significant amount to outfit. So much so in fact that in the entire state of Queensland (which is about the size of NZ, if not larger) there are a grand total of 14. I would suspect NZ has even less.

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