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#2883466 9-Mar-2022 09:10

shk292:

Fair points, but even if you remove all RUC and electricity costs, you're $4k per year worse off with the EV

I came to this conclusion a year or two ago when weighing up whether to get an EV. Even doing 20Mm per year, which I did before WFH became the norm, I just couldn't make the figures stack up. I think EVs are cool technology and I'll probably buy one within 2-3 years, but you really have to want to spend a significant chuck of cash on tackling climate change to make buying one sensible.

I think it depends a bit on your situation. You could probably make the numbers stack up if you have an absolute best case scenario, i.e.

You only travel short distances - this would enable you to purchase one of the cheaper models such as the MG ZS.
You have access to very cheap capital - i.e. a low mortgage rate fixed for several years.
You can charge at home most of the time.

Unfortunately none of the above applies to me so it will be another five to ten years before I can make it viable.

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#2883489 9-Mar-2022 09:51

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RobDickinson:

2nd hand they are still a good deal, but new? Once we get cars like the ionoq 5 and model Y whats he point of that mazda?

I guess there are still people (I'm guilty of this) with range-anxiety, although my friends who own EVs all say it's really nothing to worry about. Being able to do day-to-day driving in EV mode but have the backup of a full tank of petrol seems like a win-win - you massively reduce your fuel consumption, but don't lose the convenience of it.

Sure, that's the original reasoning behind hybrids but as a bigger battery becomes commonplace that will replace the "full tank of petrol" and without the maintenance required for an ICE. The landscape is changing rapidly as EVs evolve and owners of hybrids run the risk of being stranded with a piece of redundant technology. e.g.Anybody want to buy a VCR or film camera?

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#2883490 9-Mar-2022 09:52

They will still be more desirable than all the straight fossil cars left hanging around tho

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#2883496 9-Mar-2022 09:59

RobDickinson:

They will still be more desirable than all the straight fossil cars left hanging around tho

To expand on my earlier analogy, a DVD player is likely to attract more takers than a VCR player but still a limited secondhand market and one which is rapidly evaporating.

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#2883506 9-Mar-2022 10:18

Sure, that's the original reasoning behind hybrids but as a bigger battery becomes commonplace that will replace the "full tank of petrol" and without the maintenance required for an ICE. The landscape is changing rapidly as EVs evolve and owners of hybrids run the risk of being stranded with a piece of redundant technology. e.g.Anybody want to buy a VCR or film camera?

As a 2018 Prius PHEV owner. It did occur to me...that "hybrids run the risk of being stranded with a piece of redundant technology".

But I am hoping someone will come up with the idea or business of converting a PHEV to fully EV down the road. Perhaps they'll even start a business converting ICE vehicles to battery EV...idk.

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#2883509 9-Mar-2022 10:20

Any cost of conversion of an existing vehicle will be several times more than the cost of a new ev

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#2883513 9-Mar-2022 10:34

RobDickinson:

Any cost of conversion of an existing vehicle will be several times more than the cost of a new ev

I had a look around - not in-depth ...just a quick look around ...apparently someone does it in NZ - https://www.thesurgery.co.nz/services/electric-vehicle-conversions/

4. What are the costs?

It can depend if you want to use a kit or work to build something more custom. They vary from vehicle to vehicle, with the majority of the cost being the batteries. Every year the cost of batteries goes down, as demand and development continue. The typical cost estimate based on a vehicle being in good “Warrant of Fitness” state can be on average between $30,000-$55,000 NZD for the EV parts.

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#2883515 9-Mar-2022 10:38

yeah $55k fo the EV paerts plus quite a lot of labour. For a car thats going to be worse than a model 3/MG ZS ev etc

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#2883516 9-Mar-2022 10:41

RobDickinson:

yeah $55k fo the EV paerts plus quite a lot of labour. For a car thats going to be worse than a model 3/MG ZS ev etc

It says "can be on average between $30,000-$55,000"...idk never dealt with them. So I can't say with certainty.

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#2883518 9-Mar-2022 10:44

There are a few specialist EV conversion companies popping up to address a growing demand for this but the costs involved are usually only justified in the case of classic ICE vehicles. This is one in Holland:

Fully Charged have also done a piece on EV West in California who tend towards VW EV conversions:

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#2883525 9-Mar-2022 10:51

HarmLessSolutions:

Sure, that's the original reasoning behind hybrids but as a bigger battery becomes commonplace that will replace the "full tank of petrol" and without the maintenance required for an ICE. The landscape is changing rapidly as EVs evolve and owners of hybrids run the risk of being stranded with a piece of redundant technology. e.g.Anybody want to buy a VCR or film camera?

It might not be rational to own a hybrid vehicle in a few years time, but New Zealanders seem to have a strange obsession with hoarding beat up old vehicles. Take a walk down the street and I'm sure you'll see no shortage of cars that are well beyond their economic lifespan.

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#2883598 9-Mar-2022 11:59

amanzi:

I'd want an EV to be able to comfortably drive 300km fully loaded (i.e. with roof box and bike rack on the roof). A Telsa 3 long range battery in a SUV shape would be perfect.

@amanzi: As in the Model Y?!

Yeah, I feel your pain - it seems some don't appreciate how important boot space is for some, especially families.

Do you think, though, that rather than going now with what most will acknowledge is an interim solution (which will likely result in high depreciation) - a PHEV - an alternative is to wait a bit to see what does come out on the BEV front?

I was like you - in my case looking to get a hybrid Camry or an Outlander PHEV - but I've been convinced that holding off purchasing a new car is worth it, so that I can ensure it's a BEV (and one that I indeed to keep for a decent period; not something that would be smart if it was a hybrid). Personally, I'm hanging out for the Y, but a longer-range Ioniq 5 or EV6 may work for you.

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#2883659 9-Mar-2022 12:18

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@amanzi: As in the Model Y?!

Yeah, maybe - but the US pricing of the Model Y Long Range is the same as the Model 3 Performance, which means it will probably have a NZ$95,900 starting price which puts it out my price range. Also the sloping shape of the back may not make it suitable for a big dog to sit upright in the boot.

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Do you think, though, that rather than going now with what most will acknowledge is an interim solution (which will likely result in high depreciation) - a PHEV - an alternative is to wait a bit to see what does come out on the BEV front?

I was like you - in my case looking to get a hybrid Camry or an Outlander PHEV - but I've been convinced that holding off purchasing a new car is worth it, so that I can ensure it's a BEV (and one that I indeed to keep for a decent period; not something that would be smart if it was a hybrid). Personally, I'm hanging out for the Y, but a longer-range Ioniq 5 or EV6 may work for you.

Yeah, this is very valid. We could definitely keep running our current Outlander for another couple of years, but with the fuel prices going up and maintenance costs starting to creep up as the car gets older, it may actually cost us more by not switching now.

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#2883717 9-Mar-2022 12:35

amanzi:

Yeah, maybe - but the US pricing of the Model Y Long Range is the same as the Model 3 Performance, which means it will probably have a NZ$95,900 starting price which puts it out my price range. Also the sloping shape of the back may not make it suitable for a big dog to sit upright in the boot.

It's quite possible that we will get the RWD variant, which should fall under the $80k rebate limit.

Here's a large dog in a Model Y. He has to duck a bit but he seems to make do

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#2883720 9-Mar-2022 12:51

We should get an LFP battery RWD model Y, I was convinced we'll see it under $80k but as things are going who knows

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