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#2905018 21-Apr-2022 17:08

SaltyNZ:
I think that says as much about the EPA test not being very realistic as anything else, which may be why everyone - including the US - is switching to WLTP. That said, the nominal WLTP range of the 2022 M3 RWD is 491km. I've gotten 375km out of it 100%-5%, and the Norwegian guy (Bjorn??) got 400km from it 100-1%. The car itself, after several cycles of letting it sleep at various percentages, now tells me full charge range is 434km (up from 431km on day 1) so even the car knows the standard test range is BS.

EPA seems to be relevant to US Interstate highway driving at higher speeds. You can drive at 70-80mph there for several hours at a stretch. In NZ you'd be lucky to sustain that for 5 minutes without dying. They have huge, flat plains most of 1500km across. We're a rumpled bed sheet after a heavy night. WLTP is relevant for countries with bumps and dips and narror roads passing through many small towns.

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#2905049 21-Apr-2022 18:53

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404km at 90 km/h in -3 degrees temp.

Yeah, that's the one.

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#2914527 16-May-2022 13:19

Stuff: $1.2b transport clean-up includes a subsidy to scrap 'dirty' cars, less driving

Targets to cut the use of light vehicles, a subsidy to help low-income households get rid of polluting vehicles and a possible future rebate for electric bikes are among the moves mooted in the Government’s Emissions Reduction Plan.

Legislation to allow congestion charging will be “considered” late this year, initially with Auckland in mind, but discussions will begin with Wellington councils on a scheme in the capital if that proceeds.

The Government is committing $1.2 billion over the next four years to transport from the Climate Emergency Response Fund, unveiled on Monday ahead of Thursday’s Budget.
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More than half a billion dollars is earmarked for a scheme to help low-income households scrap “dirty” vehicles for cleaner alternatives such as electric vehicles.
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Transport Minister Michael Wood said the scrap-and-replace scheme could eventually extend to “tens of thousands of families”, with the eligibility threshold around the median household income, which was $89,127 in 2021.
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#2914531 16-May-2022 13:25

So scrap your $500 gas guzzler for a $50,000 EV? Yeah, right...

I was hoping for an eBike rebate scheme 😠

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#2914545 16-May-2022 13:43

They could call it ”EVs for Families”

Was hoping there might have been some encouragement for home solar/charging to lighten the load on the grid.

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#2914546 16-May-2022 13:46

Dingbatt:
They could call it ”EVs for Families”

Was hoping there might have been some encouragement for home solar/charging to lighten the load on the grid.

What load? Don't you know there are heaps of power stations already consented?

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#2914549 16-May-2022 13:50

exador:

So scrap your $500 gas guzzler for a $50,000 EV? Yeah, right...

I was hoping for an eBike rebate scheme 😠

This , unless there is a 30,000-40,000 government handout to help buy an EV , then i wont be getting one as my budget is around $7,000 for a car

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2914551 16-May-2022 13:56

Dingbatt:

They could call it ”EVs for Families”

Was hoping there might have been some encouragement for home solar/charging to lighten the load on the grid.

I personally don't think that a rebate/subsidy for home solar is worthwhile until they finish the pumped hydro project and have somewhere to store that access solar generation during the day to use during the peak hours.

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#2914552 16-May-2022 13:56

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This , unless there is a 30,000-40,000 government handout to help buy an EV , then i wont be getting one as my budget is around $7,000 for a car

You won’t have to buy it (as long as you are ‘poor’ enough), they will give it to you and rich people will pay.

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#2914564 16-May-2022 14:16

Obraik:

Dingbatt:

They could call it ”EVs for Families”

Was hoping there might have been some encouragement for home solar/charging to lighten the load on the grid.

I personally don't think that a rebate/subsidy for home solar is worthwhile until they finish the pumped hydro project and have somewhere to store that access solar generation during the day to use during the peak hours.

Generation from domestic (and utility scale) PV offsets grid generation which in NZ is primarily hydro so in effect it is helping store lake capacity that would otherwise be required during that time of consumption, so essentially it is being 'stored'. The other benefit in distributed PV generation is that the electricity that isn't consumed at source is likely consumed within the immediate area of the domestic PV (the local neighbourhood) thereby reducing load on grid transmission capacity.

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#2914569 16-May-2022 14:28

Obraik: I personally don't think that a rebate/subsidy for home solar is worthwhile until they finish the pumped hydro project and have somewhere to store that access solar generation during the day to use during the peak hours.

At the risk of getting off topic, we already have the infrastructure to support intermittent renewable such as solar. Pumped hydro is for countries with little to no hydro and lots of thermal generation (such as the UK and Germany). It is pointless in N.Z. The existing hydro lakes render pumped hydro obsolete. When solar (and/or wind are producing) you slow down hydro generation and leave the water in the lake, storing power for when sun is not shining (or wind not blowing).

Pumped hydro in N.Z. is draining one lake to generate power to pump another lake full. It is pointless and chasing your tail. Cut to the chase and leave the water in the first lake instead.

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#2914570 16-May-2022 14:28

Dingbatt:
vexxxboy:

This , unless there is a 30,000-40,000 government handout to help buy an EV , then i wont be getting one as my budget is around $7,000 for a car

You won’t have to buy it (as long as you are ‘poor’ enough), they will give it to you and rich people will pay.

Socialism. Great until they run out of other people’s money.

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#2914571 16-May-2022 14:31

Dingbatt:

You won’t have to buy it (as long as you are ‘poor’ enough), they will give it to you and rich people will pay.

If the talk about the median household income is correct then I've got news for you about how 'rich' a $110K household income makes you in a city like Auckland.

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#2914576 16-May-2022 14:42

It’s not news.

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#2914583 16-May-2022 14:58

Dingbatt:

vexxxboy:

This , unless there is a 30,000-40,000 government handout to help buy an EV , then i wont be getting one as my budget is around $7,000 for a car

You won’t have to buy it (as long as you are ‘poor’ enough), they will give it to you and rich people will pay.

No, they won't (They will make it sound like they will thou)

The EV targets in todays plan are totally unachievable with the current ( and even promised) policy settings,

"30 per cent of the light fleet by 2035." -page 182,

The NZ light fleet is 4.4 million vehicles, so 30% is ~1.4 million vehicles

Lets make is easy and say 2035 is 14 years away, -- so that 100K EVs a year,

Currently we only add around 120K vehicles to the annual fleet ( less those scrapped)

To get anywhere near 30% basically every car entering the light fleet in 2-3 years time HAS TO BE AN EV.... ( This is purely laughable given 1/2 our fleet additions are used from Japan )

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